What did/will you tell your sons?

[_Sethbag]

Speaking of suicide over masturbation, everyone here's heard of Kip Eliason, right?

I hadn't. I have now.

This subject is anything but 'frivilous' it would seem... :/

I used to think he was an extreme case of an extra-impressionable youth, but now that two people have admitted to wanting to castrate themselves, I'm not so sure anymore.

I'm not sure "wanting" is a good way to explain it. But reading such scriptures as "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out..." and knowing that one is simply not succeeding in stopping that heinous sin second only to murder, the thought did come up. Thankfully, I was too "weak", if you will, to follow through with it.

The important takeaway here is that LDS boys often are wracked with guilt, for years, over the church's branding of masturbation as a heinous sexual sin, and their inability to completely stop doing it. It's not a trivial issue at all. Quite a few LDS guys I know were completely torn apart inside over it.

You want to know how seriously some LDS regard masturbation? I have close relatives who actually counciled with their bishop over whether divorce should be considered when they found out that their spouse had been masturbating, as if it were on a par with adultery.

[_DaniteDan]

(you people) need to get serious about life and understand that bad thoughts lead to bad actions. Bad actions including masturbation leads to spiritual blindness and spirtual blindness can lead to many other things a lot worse than choking the old chicken or how do they say it, spanking the monkey; waxing the carrot; taking matters in your own hand; squeezing the cream from the flesh twinkie; a date with Pam and her five friends;holding your sausage hostage; flog the dolphin; buffing the banana;beating the bishop;burping the worm; flogging the hog; roping the pony; the five-finger knuckle shuffle on the one-eye, blue-veined, pu. A little self control goes along way in this world.

[_DaniteDan]

I will say this: I think to tell your son that you would rather see him come back in a coffin than come back from a mission after losing his virtue is abuse, pure and simple.

I would have to agree with that!

[_Zoidberg]

I'm not sure "wanting" is a good way to explain it. But reading such scriptures as "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out..." and knowing that one is simply not succeeding in stopping that heinous sin second only to murder, the thought did come up. Thankfully, I was too "weak", if you will, to follow through with it.

The important takeaway here is that LDS boys often are wracked with guilt, for years, over the church's branding of masturbation as a heinous sexual sin, and their inability to completely stop doing it. It's not a trivial issue at all. Quite a few LDS guys I know were completely torn apart inside over it.

You want to know how seriously some LDS regard masturbation? I have close relatives who actually counciled with their bishop over whether divorce should be considered when they found out that their spouse had been masturbating, as if it were on a par with adultery.

Wow, this really is child abuse. I guess the endless guilt trip necessarily accompanies the Holy Priesthood. Somehow the girls manage to escape the indoctrination on the subject in the Church. Perhaps because none of the GAs know there is such a thing as a female orgasm.

[_Livingstone22]

Speaking of suicide over masturbation, everyone here's heard of Kip Eliason, right?

I hadn't. I have now.

This subject is anything but 'frivilous' it would seem... :/

I used to think he was an extreme case of an extra-impressionable youth, but now that two people have admitted to wanting to castrate themselves, I'm not so sure anymore.

I'm not sure "wanting" is a good way to explain it. But reading such scriptures as "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out..." and knowing that one is simply not succeeding in stopping that heinous sin second only to murder, the thought did come up. Thankfully, I was too "weak", if you will, to follow through with it.

The important takeaway here is that LDS boys often are wracked with guilt, for years, over the church's branding of masturbation as a heinous sexual sin, and their inability to completely stop doing it. It's not a trivial issue at all. Quite a few LDS guys I know were completely torn apart inside over it.

You want to know how seriously some LDS regard masturbation? I have close relatives who actually counciled with their bishop over whether divorce should be considered when they found out that their spouse had been masturbating, as if it were on a par with adultery.

WOW! I almost cried when I read these two confessions. I too had thoughts of castration and suicide in my teens. There was a time I definitely would have paid a doctor to castrate me, so I would not be so sinful.

[_Livingstone22]

(you people) need to get serious about life and understand that bad thoughts lead to bad actions. Bad actions including masturbation leads to spiritual blindness and spirtual blindness can lead to many other things a lot worse than choking the old chicken or how do they say it, spanking the monkey; waxing the carrot; taking matters in your own hand; squeezing the cream from the flesh twinkie; a date with Pam and her five friends;holding your sausage hostage; flog the dolphin; buffing the banana;beating the bishop;burping the worm; flogging the hog; roping the pony; the five-finger knuckle shuffle on the one-eye, blue-veined, pu. A little self control goes along way in this world.

I will say this: I think to tell your son that you would rather see him come back in a coffin than come back from a mission after losing his virtue is abuse, pure and simple.

I would have to agree with that!

I assume that you're being scarcastic, but this kind of stuff isn't funny. Youth die because of this stuff. It's very serious.

[_beastie]

I personally know an exmormon whose son ended up in the hospital after a suicide attempt partly due to this issue.

It's one of the most damaging teachings in Mormonism, in my opinion. It makes young people feel toxic, evil, and flawed.

To say nothing of the adults who have less than functional sex lives as married Mormons.

[_harmony]

The hard part, to me, is that our leaders not only don't get it... they just don't care that they don't get it. They're so sure they're inspired, it never occurs to them that no God would ever make this a deal-breaker... ever! They live in their untouchable world, surrounded by members who nod and agree to the stupidest pronouncements, and they never get it! The guilt trip is huge, and not once has any of them ever EVER even hinted that they understand how the body works. It's like they're deaf, dumb, and blind to reality.

ARGH!

[_AmazingDisgrace]

You can count me as another data point in the "traumatized by unnecessary guilt" column. I masturbated exactly one time when I was fourteen, and I spent the next 6 months totally consumed with guilt and shame. Seriously, I could not go five minutes without thinking about what a horrible thing I had done, what wretched sinner I was, and that I needed to confess to the bishop, which was an absolutely terrifying idea. It sounds like I'm exaggerating, but it occupied my mind all day, every day.

I finally got up the courage to talk to my dad, who agreed that I should talk to the bishop. And the bishop didn't do a thing to make me feel my sin was any less dire than I imagined. I wasn't allowed to adminster or take the sacrament for a month, after which time I was supposed to talk to him again. He wanted a lot of details, too. He asked what I was thinking about at the time, whether I climaxed (he had to explain that term to me). I felt better after that was over, but then I found myself feeling huge amounts of guilt for things that, even then, I was pretty sure were minor sins. I thought for quite a while that I might need to see the bishop again to confess some "dirty thoughts" that I had had. I even started imagining pretty serious sins that I hadn't committed, that I needed to confess.

After a while I realized I wasn't being rational. I decided that Satan would want me worrying about confessing minor sins instead of going through the regular, simple repentance process. For the rest of my single life, fear of confession kept the incidents of masturbation to a handful (ha ha) of semi-sleep occasions, all of which I dutifully confessed to bishops.

Looking back, I realize that I developed some kind of freakish iron will, while believing the whole time that I was some sort of sex-obsessed pervert for the four or five times that I failed to resist. I don't know what I will say to my sons, but no church will be allowed to do this to them.

[_Jason Bourne]

You know the off thing is this. The first time I really MB's all the way to well, sorry for the details, but to orgasm it was totally innocent. I was around 12 and just kind of feeling things and thought is felt pretty good. well then, without all the nitty gritty I did the MB thing and WOW when I orgasmed it felt really great and I had no idea what had happened. I did not know anything about orgasm or what it was that came out with it. I did not know what masturbation was or that the Church thought it was bad. All I knew then was I wanted to have the feeling again sometime.

Later, maybe a year or so, and after doing it more then once after that first time, did I learn that I was a horrible sinner.