asbestosman wrote:During conference, Elder Ballard said we should be careful with our answers. Some people are just curious about generalities and don't want a full discussion.
Careful with our answers? That sounds like doublespeak, as in "be careful that you don't expose them fully to the Mormon church", lest they laugh and say 'Seriously? you believe that?'. You know, kind of analogous to applying KY before you bend them over the barrel.
No, he was telling us not to give the missionary discussions when all that the person wants are a few quick answers. When I ask someone how things are going, I generally want a quick answer, not an autobiography.
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I had different thoughts when I saw the subject. I like to ask people who believe every young man should serve a mission when was the last time they brought a non-member to church. Usually that catches them off guard and they say they have contributed to the missionary fund or done a stake mission or something. In my old ward, which I was in from age four to nineteen, the ward never really changed. Sure people moved in and moved out but I think I remember two families in around fifteen years who were baptized; one of them was given information about Joseph Smith after they were baptized and they were gone. I use to see the guy at the market smoking a pipe. You would think if people really thought the Church was God's kindom on the earth they would be out night and day trying to bring new members into the Church. When you see things like that it appears to me it may just be really a social club to them.
Kiss my a... I tried to be polite about it, I did not deny it your story I just said I have never even seen it. I am telling you the truth here. And you come back with more of your crap. I have no question that I have a hell of a lot more experience with Mormonism then you. I am older, I have served in every ward position of leadership that there is to serve in, including ward mission leader twice. I have also served is stake positions. My whole life from birth in Utah and spending my first 20 years there, to a mission to my adult life has been wrapped around LDS Culture.
I repeat, I have never done this and never saw it done and never saw it encouraged. Had I, I would have put a stop to it. Just because my experience differs from yours does not mean I am in denial.
You are an immature angry neophyte that could not handle things that were not the black and white you though they were. So you went off and cried about it and now you gnash your teeth and wail every chance you get. Well guess what cry baby. Grow up and learn to deal with some uncertainty in life and roll with things. I am sorry you were so harmed by the LDS Church. I have my own concerns and issues to deal with and will do so in my own way that is best for me and for my family. If yours works for you, as noted before, I am pleased for you and have no issue with it other then your seeming hang ups about the Church. If the LDS Church is the worst thing that ever hurt you in your life you really have it pretty easy. I know there were other abuse issue in your past. Those are far worse. But life sucks most the time and is really hard man. Get used to it and be a man about it. If you have really left the church move on and stop bitching about it.
Maybe im not taking into account that you probably live in a high percentile Mormon population and your whole life nonmembers are highly rare. Gawd, what a frightening thought.
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Kiss my a... I tried to be polite about it, I did not deny it your story I just said I have never even seen it. I am telling you the truth here. And you come back with more of your crap. I have no question that I have a hell of a lot more experience with Mormonism then you. I am older, I have served in every ward position of leadership that there is to serve in, including ward mission leader twice. I have also served is stake positions. My whole life from birth in Utah and spending my first 20 years there, to a mission to my adult life has been wrapped around LDS Culture.
I repeat, I have never done this and never saw it done and never saw it encouraged. Had I, I would have put a stop to it. Just because my experience differs from yours does not mean I am in denial.
You are an immature angry neophyte that could not handle things that were not the black and white you though they were. So you went off and cried about it and now you gnash your teeth and wail every chance you get. Well guess what cry baby. Grow up and learn to deal with some uncertainty in life and roll with things. I am sorry you were so harmed by the LDS Church. I have my own concerns and issues to deal with and will do so in my own way that is best for me and for my family. If yours works for you, as noted before, I am pleased for you and have no issue with it other then your seeming hang ups about the Church. If the LDS Church is the worst thing that ever hurt you in your life you really have it pretty easy. I know there were other abuse issue in your past. Those are far worse. But life sucks most the time and is really hard man. Get used to it and be a man about it. If you have really left the church move on and stop bitching about it.
Maybe I'm not taking into account that you probably live in a high percentile Mormon population and your whole life nonmembers are highly rare. Gawd, what a frightening thought.
Maybe you would be wrong. I have lived in the Northeast for almost 26 years, almost as long as you have lived. I own a business with 8 other partners and none are LDS. I have on LDS person who works for me. She is inactive. I actually got her the job. I home taught her family for years and have kown her since she was like four. My ward has 500 members and covers an area 25 miles north and south and 25 miles east and west. It is a rural area just outside a major metro area. I guess there are about 40,000 people in our ward boundry. My stake covers a much larger area and My guess it there are about 1.5-2 Million people in the area it covers. 3000-4000 are LDS and about half those active. I have been out of Utah for well over half my life.
Kiss my a... I tried to be polite about it, I did not deny it your story I just said I have never even seen it. I am telling you the truth here. And you come back with more of your crap. I have no question that I have a hell of a lot more experience with Mormonism then you. I am older, I have served in every ward position of leadership that there is to serve in, including ward mission leader twice. I have also served is stake positions. My whole life from birth in Utah and spending my first 20 years there, to a mission to my adult life has been wrapped around LDS Culture.
I repeat, I have never done this and never saw it done and never saw it encouraged. Had I, I would have put a stop to it. Just because my experience differs from yours does not mean I am in denial.
You are an immature angry neophyte that could not handle things that were not the black and white you though they were. So you went off and cried about it and now you gnash your teeth and wail every chance you get. Well guess what cry baby. Grow up and learn to deal with some uncertainty in life and roll with things. I am sorry you were so harmed by the LDS Church. I have my own concerns and issues to deal with and will do so in my own way that is best for me and for my family. If yours works for you, as noted before, I am pleased for you and have no issue with it other then your seeming hang ups about the Church. If the LDS Church is the worst thing that ever hurt you in your life you really have it pretty easy. I know there were other abuse issue in your past. Those are far worse. But life sucks most the time and is really hard man. Get used to it and be a man about it. If you have really left the church move on and stop bitching about it.
Maybe I'm not taking into account that you probably live in a high percentile Mormon population and your whole life nonmembers are highly rare. Gawd, what a frightening thought.
Maybe you would be wrong. I have lived in the Northeast for almost 26 years, almost as long as you have lived. I own a business with 8 other partners and none are LDS. I have on LDS person who works for me. She is inactive. I actually got her the job. I home taught her family for years and have kown her since she was like four. My ward has 500 members and covers an area 25 miles north and south and 25 miles east and west. It is a rural area just outside a major metro area. I guess there are about 40,000 people in our ward boundry. My stake covers a much larger area and My guess it there are about 1.5-2 Million people in the area it covers. 3000-4000 are LDS and about half those active. I have been out of Utah for well over half my life.
Oh! I get it!
You are an upper middle class Mormon. Gawd, why didn't I think of this before. You don't HAVE to do s*** in your ward and when you need to do something for your "many callings" you let the plebs do it.
Its all coming together now. Thanks for helping me understand your outlook.
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The fact remains, Jason, that as vast as your Mormon experience may/may not be, it is still only anecdotal. The truth is that it does happen. I remember our family facilitating such meetings as well.
It may not be in the handbook, but the idea is getting propagated somehow within the culture.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
You are an upper middle class Mormon. Gawd, why didn't I think of this before. You don't HAVE to do s*** in your ward and when you need to do something for your "many callings" you let the plebs do it.
Yes I am the upper upper middle but it took me a long time to get there. I was very poor for a long time. YOu know I did that get married right after my mission deal and started popping out kids. I was 28 when I graduated and started working in my career. So I know poor idiot. Dirt poor. And if anyone sholud be pissed it should be me. But I am just more mature about life then you and not a friggin cry baby like you are.
As noted I have done about every calling you can in a ward. I am starting to suspect youi bait and switch story is just that. Make believe out of your twisted little mind.
Some Schmo wrote:The fact remains, Jason, that as vast as your Mormon experience may/may not be, it is still only anecdotal. The truth is that it does happen. I remember our family facilitating such meetings as well.
It may not be in the handbook, but the idea is getting propagated somehow within the culture.
The fact is Schmo I said in my first post that while I had never seen it I was not denying it happened. Still my anecdotal resources are more vast so I will assume my anecdotes are more reflective of reality. And your family was stupid to do it. Were I asked to do it I would say take a hike.
You are an upper middle class Mormon. Gawd, why didn't I think of this before. You don't HAVE to do s*** in your ward and when you need to do something for your "many callings" you let the plebs do it.
Yes I am the upper upper middle but it took me a long time to get there. I was very poor for a long time. YOu know I did that get married right after my mission deal and started popping out kids. I was 28 when I graduated and started working in my career. So I know poor idiot. Dirt poor. And if anyone sholud be pissed it should be me. But I am just more mature about life then you and not a friggin cry baby like you are.
As noted I have done about every calling you can in a ward. I am starting to suspect youi bait and switch story is just that. Make believe out of your twisted little mind.
I stand behind my assertion that your an elitist s***head. Yah, u know poor. Uhhuh. Capital begets capital. In other words, poor white trash do not claw their way up to the upper middle rung. I find it unlikely that you started out poor and made it to "upper upper middle class". maybe daddy and mommy cut you off when you got married but The scenario you speak of does not fit reality. Hell Jason, I learned that in Anthro 101.
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Some Schmo wrote:The fact remains, Jason, that as vast as your Mormon experience may/may not be, it is still only anecdotal. The truth is that it does happen. I remember our family facilitating such meetings as well.
It may not be in the handbook, but the idea is getting propagated somehow within the culture.
The fact is Schmo I said in my first post that while I had never seen it I was not denying it happened. Still my anecdotal resources are more vast so I will assume my anecdotes are more reflective of reality. And your family was stupid to do it. Were I asked to do it I would say take a hike.
And yet you once again deny it happening. sigh.
This is fun...how long can you keep it up? Or are you too busy enjoying "the good life" split 8 ways? What is it you DO exactly?
Skeptical I am.
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