Mercury wrote:On Mormon Humility, I see it as subjugating oneself for the benefit of the church. Humble yourself and give us your money. Humble yourself and pop out another kid. Humble yourself and Talk about your marital bedroom antics. Humble yourself and make an ass out of yourself in the name of missionary work.
One thing we love about you down here Merc is that you are perfectly capable of making an ass out of yourself without a speck of humility.
Really? Expand on that. I'm interested. Really.
It's a simple assumption. All mortals make an ass out of themselves. You seem remarkably self-assured/arrogant depending on who you ask, leading to the inference that you don't have humility.
Non-humble people are loved by Hell.
I think you mean confidence instead of a lack of humility. Confidence is gained properly from establishing an opinion based on facts. Humility as the LDS corporation defines it is to become a servant to the Mormon elite ordering the member to submit without question to the pseudoauthority peddled by mormoncorp.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
I wonder if I need to find a new man to support me since I shouldn't be working? *gag* I think I'd rather look at tubgirl than marry again.
Gaz, do you understand that some women must work. Others merely want to. Why is either wrong?
I actually feel insane when I spend too much time with my children. I start reciting nursery rhymes to myself and have child songs running constantly through my head. It's actually quite sapping for me. It's actually almost like I lose a bit of myself each day I push under my own desires and needs. Of course I think there should be some sort of balance. But surely my children miss out on seeing a happy, content, well rounded woman as a female role model when I stifle all my desires?
I yearn to have some sort of stimulation outside the bounds of motherhood. Surely this is something rather natural for an adult to have? Must I (in your view) become nothing more than a care giver? I tried that and I'm just now bouncing back from the despair (no prozac for me) and how that stiffled who I essentially am. More than just a mother. I just am more than that. It's one of many roles I play and yet I don't want to be defined by that.
Faithful Mormon women want children and do not delay child-bearing, children - not possessions, not position, not prestige - are our greatest jewels."
Mormon mothers honor their sacred covenants by bringing daughters to church "in clean and ironed dresses with hair brushed to perfection; their sons wear white shirts and ties and have missionary haircuts," Beck said.
They establish a good climate where children can be nourished physically and spiritually. "Another word for nurturing is homemaking," Beck said. It ''includes cooking, washing clothes and dishes, and keeping an orderly house.''
In partnership with their husbands, mothers "plan for missions, temple marriages and education," she said. These women "are selective about their own activities and involvement to conserve their limited strength in order to maximize their influence where it matters most."
Sis. Beck is a real throwback to the 50's.
The moksha time machine suggests these comments could have been taken out of the Relief Society magazine from 1890. How old is this lady, anyway?
Belial suspects he should go into his archives and get out the good ol' Millenial Stars from the 70's and show them......complete with "You Could Be Lovelier" articles.
barrelomonkeys wrote:I wonder if I need to find a new man to support me since I shouldn't be working? *gag* I think I'd rather look at tubgirl than marry again.
Gaz, do you understand that some women must work. Others merely want to. Why is either wrong?
I actually feel insane when I spend too much time with my children. I start reciting nursery rhymes to myself and have child songs running constantly through my head. It's actually quite sapping for me. It's actually almost like I lose a bit of myself each day I push under my own desires and needs. Of course I think there should be some sort of balance. But surely my children miss out on seeing a happy, content, well rounded woman as a female role model when I stifle all my desires?
I yearn to have some sort of stimulation outside the bounds of motherhood. Surely this is something rather natural for an adult to have? Must I (in your view) become nothing more than a care giver? I tried that and I'm just now bouncing back from the despair (no prozac for me) and how that stiffled who I essentially am. More than just a mother. I just am more than that. It's one of many roles I play and yet I don't want to be defined by that.
Let us never lose sight of one thing: the church is not concerned about mothers. The church kicks mothers to the curb on a regular basis. The church is concerned about children, specifically male children. At no point is the church worried about girl children, except to ensure that they birth as many boy children as possible. If the church could manipulate the number of boy children, they would. Boy children are the stuff on which the church is built; girl children are only as useful when their wombs are full.
So of course the church has a vested interest in keeping mothers at home, raising (boy)children appropriately (which means, to be obedient to SL Central). Never ever let it be said that the church was concerned about women. Women are useless, except as mothers.
harmony wrote:Let us never lose sight of one thing: the church is not concerned about mothers. The church kicks mothers to the curb on a regular basis. The church is concerned about children, specifically male children.
Something in the talk made this abundantly clear, I think. The opening. She opened the talk with the stripling warriors bit.
Gazelam wrote:Whats the controversy? Everything she said was dead on correct.
Mothers are quickly becoming an endangered species, hunted down by liberal idiots who are so short sighted they can't see the longstandign benefits of a woman in the home rearing good children.
What this woman said should be placed under the windshield wiper of every woman dropping her kids off at a day care center.
GAG. And I'm sure you're one of those Mormons who thinks that women are responsible for a mans sexuality. They are walking pornography for Christ's sake.
How about we just put burkas on them Gaz and forbid them from coming out of the home?
Of course I'm sure by the same token with you that if we took the "Mormon Equation" out of it, suddenly they wouldn't be rearing good children anymore, right? Because, of course, being Mormon is the key to it all, really.
harmony wrote:Let us never lose sight of one thing: the church is not concerned about mothers. The church kicks mothers to the curb on a regular basis. The church is concerned about children, specifically male children.
Something in the talk made this abundantly clear, I think. The opening. She opened the talk with the stripling warriors bit.
I'm going to be taking bets on whether or not the Ensign version of the talk will be edited. But then again, it's just women we're talking about.. Who cares what they think.
"reason and religion are friends and allies" - Mitt Romney
Gazelam wrote:Whats the controversy? Everything she said was dead on correct.
Mothers are quickly becoming an endangered species, hunted down by liberal idiots who are so short sighted they can't see the longstandign benefits of a woman in the home rearing good children.
What this woman said should be placed under the windshield wiper of every woman dropping her kids off at a day care center.
GAG. And I'm sure you're one of those Mormons who thinks that women are responsible for a mans sexuality. They are walking pornography for Christ's sake.
How about we just put burkas on them Gaz and forbid them from coming out of the home?
Of course I'm sure by the same token with you that if we took the "Mormon Equation" out of it, suddenly they wouldn't be rearing good children anymore, right? Because, of course, being Mormon is the key to it all, really.
Oh great. Yet another return of Infymus.
Are you going to wait a few days to fly off the handle this time or will you just do it from the get-go, followed by the expected promise to leave and never return?
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
Gazelam wrote:Whats the controversy? Everything she said was dead on correct.
Mothers are quickly becoming an endangered species, hunted down by liberal idiots who are so short sighted they can't see the longstandign benefits of a woman in the home rearing good children.
What this woman said should be placed under the windshield wiper of every woman dropping her kids off at a day care center.
GAG. And I'm sure you're one of those Mormons who thinks that women are responsible for a mans sexuality. They are walking pornography for Christ's sake.
How about we just put burkas on them Gaz and forbid them from coming out of the home?
Of course I'm sure by the same token with you that if we took the "Mormon Equation" out of it, suddenly they wouldn't be rearing good children anymore, right? Because, of course, being Mormon is the key to it all, really.
Oh great. Yet another return of Infymus.
Are you going to wait a few days to fly off the handle this time or will you just do it from the get-go, followed by the expected promise to leave and never return?
Leave him alone, Merc. Lord knows we've all stomped off in a huff at one time or another. Maybe he's learned a bit about evidence and assertion, and how one is credible and the other isn't. Even old dogs can learn new tricks.
Gazelam wrote:Whats the controversy? Everything she said was dead on correct.
Mothers are quickly becoming an endangered species, hunted down by liberal idiots who are so short sighted they can't see the longstandign benefits of a woman in the home rearing good children.
What this woman said should be placed under the windshield wiper of every woman dropping her kids off at a day care center.
GAG. And I'm sure you're one of those Mormons who thinks that women are responsible for a mans sexuality. They are walking pornography for Christ's sake.
How about we just put burkas on them Gaz and forbid them from coming out of the home?
Of course I'm sure by the same token with you that if we took the "Mormon Equation" out of it, suddenly they wouldn't be rearing good children anymore, right? Because, of course, being Mormon is the key to it all, really.
Oh great. Yet another return of Infymus.
Are you going to wait a few days to fly off the handle this time or will you just do it from the get-go, followed by the expected promise to leave and never return?
I never left Merc. I simply decided the conversation wasn't worth any more of my time.