New Here --Suspended from MAD for Arguing with DCP- Question

[_Mercury]

Welcome welcome MDB Poster. The air is fair over here in Shady Acres. MAD is a place where those in your position are harassed and bullied. You will enjoy the open nature of things over here.

[_Blixa]

Good griefl. I just read through (well I couldn't make it to the final pages) the thread in question over at MAD.

What about Silver Dragonfly! The way she was treated was utterly shameful. I hope someone PMs her to check this board out, if she's interested. She let herself in for an unexpected series of attacks from Juliann by indicating she was female, too. As has been remarked on before, Juliann is one of the worst misogynists at MAD: in practice, despite her attempts to "play feminist" when some "anti" brings up some less than FPR-ish material about/written by a female "Saint."

Anyway, welcome mms...

[_harmony]

I was immediately suspended for two weeks.

A couple of things:

1. If you're just suspended from MAD, you can hone your arguments here prior to returning and posting until your eventual ban. And you will be banned. With the notable exception of a very few, highly articulate, well credentialed critics, all critics are eventually banned. If you're really lucky, you'll not only be banned, your ISP will be blocked, and you won't even be able to read the forums. Count your lucky stars if that happens. You know you are then a member of the All Time Demon From Hell (our own Belial notwithstanding) list (a.k.a., Juliann's S*** List). In other words, you will have arrived!

2. You may get the opportunity to renew your acquaintance with Daniel. He posts here occasionally, and Kevin is definitely giving him some whacks at the present time, so he may show up (or he may continue to be the chicken we think he is, who knows?)

3. When you comment on a MAD thread here, it's good manners to copy and post it here, with proper accreditation. Many of us here cannot view the forums. Links don't work from here anyway. Thanks and welcome to the board.

[_Runtu]

Good griefl. I just read through (well I couldn't make it to the final pages) the thread in question over at MAD.

What about Silver Dragonfly! The way she was treated was utterly shameful. I hope someone PMs her to check this board out, if she's interested. She let herself in for an unexpected series of attacks from Juliann by indicating she was female, too. As has been remarked on before, Juliann is one of the worst misogynists at MAD: in practice, despite her attempts to "play feminist" when some "anti" brings up some less than FPR-ish material about/written by a female "Saint."

Anyway, welcome mms...

I've learned not to attempt to engage Dr. Peterson. His posts are usually about trying to be witty and are rarely substantive. I actually like DCP, but I don't expect serious posts from him. Juliann speaks for herself.

[_Dr. Shades]

They have there sacred cows to protect.

Hello Pokatator,

Please read this post. Thanks!

[_Infymus]

They have there sacred cows to protect.

Hello Pokatator,

Please read this post. Thanks!

[_Belial]

They have there sacred cows to protect.

Hello Pokatator,

Please read this post. Thanks!

I'll use my 50/50.

[_Dr. Shades]

I'll proudly wear the title of Grammar Nazi if I absolutely have to.

What can I say, the English major in me refuses to go away.

[_Zoidberg]

Welcome mms!

You were wondering if the MAD mods admit to their obvious double standards. They do. You have to spend some time there to realize that, though. When you read the board guidelines, you get the impression that they apply to everyone. They don't, apparently. Actualy, they do say "The moderators are not FAIR [in all caps]", but I, in my infinite naïvété decided it meant they are not affiliated with the organization called FAIR.

After getting banned a couple of times for taking on juliann (I didn't know she was a big shot over there back then; she seemed to me rather mediocre at the time and still does, actually, given the number of logical fallacies she commits just about every day) and someone who decided to make deragotory and blatantly untrue remarks about Russians (and I happen to be Russian).

So after that I shot the mods a message saying that their double standard is obvious to me now and that they don't make it sufficiently clear that the board is intended to be basically reverse RfM where the "faithful" can come to ven and insult whomever they disagree with. I also told them that now that I've realized that, they can PM me and ask me to leave if they don't want me there. They never did and instead chose to make it public later, when charity threatened to put me on ignore for stating the obvious.

I quote verbatim "Whining to the mods about "special treatment" isn't going to help you. Who ever said otherwise? Not us!"

So yes, they admit to it eventually. But I think the false advertising of MAD as a place for dialogue is intentional because they get off on disciplining (however illusory that discipline might be) people who happen to disagree with them. That's my assessment, anyway. I might be wrong, but I highly doubt it.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Did you report Selek to the mods? I know he's been warned before. He seems to be one of the more inflammatory posters on MAD. I think toning it down would greatly benefit them. Making things personal tends to benefit no one in the long run in my opinion. To be fair, and I think you'd agree, you did a little egging on yourself. It doesn't excuse selek or anyone else, sometimes I've made things personal as well, but I digress. You've given a little as well, perhaps not as much to warrant a banning though, where selek is not also dinged in a similar way. After selek [wrongfully] said you would go to hell, the mods told him to cut it out. At that point he didn't apologize, but he said he'd stop addressing the personal issues. But after that you asked him several times to explain how why he thought you would be going to hell, you wanted to keep the fight going, so to speak, did you not? You demanded an apology at that point, quoting general authorities, etc. You still wanted selek to admit he was rude, or wrong, etc. This is after he had posted in response to several other people, so you knew he was around and just ignoring you and that likely ticked you off a little. Wade Englund tried to keep you in the thread at this point by inviting you to address his posts. You and juliann exchanged some barbs. You insisted on some points without referencing your source (this is a rule on that board). You were saying individual advice from a Bishop represents "the Church's" position, I and others disagree. DCP kindly answered your question several times, then he got tired of repeating himself and said "goodbye."

You were then reported to the mods for failing to cite a reference for your assertion. [Note selek and other somewhat inflammatory posters provide references.]

You then provided a reference, which actually agreed with the premise of both parties: that members should consult Bishops as well as scholars and books, etc. on matters troubling them. This source didn't say, however, that the Bishop's council is the law of the Church in regards to historical matters. Additionally, you provided SD with the information she needed, it was a great quote you found. I bookmarked it.

Then you made things personal again, putting words in DCP's mouth, thus the suspension.

I don't think it warranted more than a warning, but that's just me.

Check that, there was a post a few more down which the mods completely erased, saying it contained a direct personal attack. What did you say there?