Who has been where I am? Questioning. Where did you end up?

[_Blixa]

Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

Yeah, but I'm a stone fox.

LOL I'm failing to believe anyone here is what they say.

You can look at my picture and still fail to believe? I'm giving you more tangible proof than Joseph Smith ever gave anyone....

[_Runtu]

Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

Yeah, but I'm a stone fox.

LOL I'm failing to believe anyone here is what they say.

You can look at my picture and still fail to believe? I'm giving you more tangible proof than Joseph Smith ever gave anyone....

It's true. Blixa is unbelievably hot. :)

[_The Nehor]

One church president was a scripturally proven Son of Perdition. I can prove it.

If early Church witches wrote crap about Joseph Smith it was a smear most likely just to keep the TBMs offbalance and shy like their working the MMMassacre to defile Zion and keep it toppsy turvy from being able to assert itself righteous. These people play chess with people from craddle to grave from behind the chess board and their great pride is that they remain undetected. They act like gods who love to slink into the shadows and effect the drama and take possession of all things. They would keep the Church growing just to farm it out like they still do the Masons and Catholics and they set up America for the shelter. Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

The Pilgrim were sincere about Zion. They held that a person had to be spiritually accomplished to take communion. That is advanced understanding before the Book of Mormon ever revealed that commandment two hundred years later. What polluted and defeated the Pilgrim Zion? WITCHES People. Witches. Druids if you prefer. They never write anything down and strive to be invisable these days.

I think this speaks to the off the wall side in all of us. What can we do about these Witches and Druids?

BURN THEM!!!!!!!!! Does no one watch Monty Python?

[_keene]

One church president was a scripturally proven Son of Perdition. I can prove it.

If early Church witches wrote crap about Joseph Smith it was a smear most likely just to keep the TBMs offbalance and shy like their working the MMMassacre to defile Zion and keep it toppsy turvy from being able to assert itself righteous. These people play chess with people from craddle to grave from behind the chess board and their great pride is that they remain undetected. They act like gods who love to slink into the shadows and effect the drama and take possession of all things. They would keep the Church growing just to farm it out like they still do the Masons and Catholics and they set up America for the shelter. Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

The Pilgrim were sincere about Zion. They held that a person had to be spiritually accomplished to take communion. That is advanced understanding before the Book of Mormon ever revealed that commandment two hundred years later. What polluted and defeated the Pilgrim Zion? WITCHES People. Witches. Druids if you prefer. They never write anything down and strive to be invisable these days.

I think this speaks to the off the wall side in all of us. What can we do about these Witches and Druids?

BURN THEM!!!!!!!!! Does no one watch Monty Python?

I seem to have misplaced my duck...

[Guest]

A great talk on the subject of identifying the Spirit of the Lord and the Holy Ghost

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6028

Woke up today about 5:30 and saw this and finished it at 7:30. I dozed off more than a couple of times. I did not have wisdom in my youth that I have today. I grew up in the rising years of Steven Covey. Now I see why he was so popular and what all the clamour after him was about.

Steven Covey was and is still I guess a flatterer. He tells people what they would most like to believe and gets them to believe it. He deigns the people worthy. He organizes their thinking. He smoothes off all the nagging barbs of conscience for people to get on with their life in confidence. He is a liar. He is not just a big liar. He is a Satan.

A Satan is anyone who wilfully seeks to prevent the will of the Father. Christ rebuked Peter when he tempted Christ to not suffer. He called him Satan. What motivates a man to be a Satan. He wants to be loved and praised and adored and even worshipped. Steven Covey pretty much got what he was after, didn't he?

In the gut of all Mormons they know for certain that they are not Book of Mormon calibre saints. This crap dumpster Covey slinks onto the scene to elucidate a cover story that all LDS people are sooooooo chosen, soooooooo blessed, sooooo covenant, and sooooooooooooooooo good, that they are immersed in the Holy Ghost to the point that they just fail to realize it as a fish would be the last to discover water.

So he tells them all....people, just swim in it and enjoy, yes, enjoy that the Holy Ghost is guiding you constantly, and be the best you can beeeeeeeeeeee. Awwwwww that feels so good not to wonder if I am worthy or not any more. Thank you Satan, errr, I mean Steve.

All the overacheivers blitz into hyperdrive self righteousness. They are free to guide themselves because it is only the obvious choosing of a better more disciplined life that needs to be practised. They do not have to take off time from work, play, or any of their selfish persuits so long as they just do the best they can at everything including all their church assignments.

He gave them a charter to follow their pride and vaunting self will. He put God in a box and stashed that box under the full control of the conscience of the people. Our conscience is not the Holy Ghost folks. It is our conscience. Our conscience has no power. It has no sacntifying power. It has no forgiveness. It has no revelation that we don't already know. It can only remind us. It is us and cannot be God.

This is the same Satan in the hearts of all LDS leaders who strive to inspire a people in their sins. They fail to detect or wilfully ignore what is tragically wrong and debilitating in LDS practise. Becasue the bar is not even set low. The bar has been jetisoned that there remains no bar at all to hinder them in their lustful pursuits and passions. Tempered with excellence all these lusts and passions, yes tempered in disciplined excellence lest there be any accusations. Satan is chief of all accusations and is sure to make himself free of any. How excellent the glory of the Chaldees the Wonders of Babylon, the best of this world.

Do not follow this stupification and searing of conscience. Flatter not yourself and do not think you can sacntify yourself as if you were your own God. Do not become a Satan.

[_James Muir]

Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

Yeah, but I'm a stone fox.

LOL I'm failing to believe anyone here is what they say.

You can look at my picture and still fail to believe? I'm giving you more tangible proof than Joseph Smith ever gave anyone....

But I first saw David Bednar's photo and believed he was here. Then I saw Packer and started to wonder. How can I believe your picture?

Joseph Smith gave us the rights and keys to prove all things. We can follow his example and prove God is true. We can accomplish great things if we follow the science Joseph Smith wrote up for the world. He had his calling and election made sure early on and short of shedding innocent blood he is all good. I believe he was all good all day every day. I have read and studied into his heart listening to his words and can only rejoice that he was a prophet.

[_Maxrep]

Hello mms,

just wanted to add a quick ditto to your experiences from someone your age, who has worn the same shoes(well maybe).

Our mission president counseled us not to view anti literature - it was labeled "Spiritual Pornography". I think the term pornography was used as it elicits a strong response.

I may be a bit further down the pathway than yourself. Don't feel pressured to arrive at a conclusion with an accompanying action plan right away. Most likely you will find yourself being more selective with which church responsibilities you accept, as well as the amount of time that is allotted to all things LDS. Most people that have come to a less faithful conclusion don't pick up and leave the same year. If a family is involved, that process can take years. Mormonism is not just a Sunday religion, its pretty much an ethnicity!

Keep your chin up! Change is in the wind. You may not be the only member of your ward traveling this path. Quite by accident, I have bumped into a couple individuals over the past two years who are active, stand up members that have found the internet!

Bob Rocket:

What on earth was your mission president thinking? I felt a bit naughty ordering a copy of Mormon Doctrine. I even asked my MP if I could read Doctrines of Salvation and the JOD - he laughed at me!

[_Mercury]

One church president was a scripturally proven Son of Perdition. I can prove it.

If early Church witches wrote crap about Joseph Smith it was a smear most likely just to keep the TBMs offbalance and shy like their working the MMMassacre to defile Zion and keep it toppsy turvy from being able to assert itself righteous. These people play chess with people from craddle to grave from behind the chess board and their great pride is that they remain undetected. They act like gods who love to slink into the shadows and effect the drama and take possession of all things. They would keep the Church growing just to farm it out like they still do the Masons and Catholics and they set up America for the shelter. Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

The Pilgrim were sincere about Zion. They held that a person had to be spiritually accomplished to take communion. That is advanced understanding before the Book of Mormon ever revealed that commandment two hundred years later. What polluted and defeated the Pilgrim Zion? WITCHES People. Witches. Druids if you prefer. They never write anything down and strive to be invisable these days.

I think this speaks to the off the wall side in all of us. What can we do about these Witches and Druids?

BURN THEM!!!!!!!!! Does no one watch Monty Python?

It has been a while that the python has been mentioned. And I for one am thankful for you bringing them into this discussion.

Welcome back!

[_James Muir]

One church president was a scripturally proven Son of Perdition. I can prove it.

If early Church witches wrote crap about Joseph Smith it was a smear most likely just to keep the TBMs offbalance and shy like their working the MMMassacre to defile Zion and keep it toppsy turvy from being able to assert itself righteous. These people play chess with people from craddle to grave from behind the chess board and their great pride is that they remain undetected. They act like gods who love to slink into the shadows and effect the drama and take possession of all things. They would keep the Church growing just to farm it out like they still do the Masons and Catholics and they set up America for the shelter. Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

The Pilgrim were sincere about Zion. They held that a person had to be spiritually accomplished to take communion. That is advanced understanding before the Book of Mormon ever revealed that commandment two hundred years later. What polluted and defeated the Pilgrim Zion? WITCHES People. Witches. Druids if you prefer. They never write anything down and strive to be invisable these days.

I think this speaks to the off the wall side in all of us. What can we do about these Witches and Druids?

LDS can douche the entire General Leadership by voting all opposed if there be any at the next General Conference. Let the Church run a couple of years without General officers and set up a training center to find raw recruits from inactive ranks only who have not been eating and drinking damnation to their souls for a while. Tell everyone else to be inactive for two years. Then teach them how to get the gospel right. Watch and see if any do. Give them two or three months to try at a Nauvoo House kind of Semenary, then throw them out and bring in more. Eventually you might find a couple, maybe. To a man and whithout exception LDS leadership withal are proven traitors.

Jesus Christ told the Nephites he was just going to start over with a remnant. 3 Ne. 16.

[_The Nehor]

One church president was a scripturally proven Son of Perdition. I can prove it.

If early Church witches wrote crap about Joseph Smith it was a smear most likely just to keep the TBMs offbalance and shy like their working the MMMassacre to defile Zion and keep it toppsy turvy from being able to assert itself righteous. These people play chess with people from craddle to grave from behind the chess board and their great pride is that they remain undetected. They act like gods who love to slink into the shadows and effect the drama and take possession of all things. They would keep the Church growing just to farm it out like they still do the Masons and Catholics and they set up America for the shelter. Benjamin Franklin was a stone witch.

The Pilgrim were sincere about Zion. They held that a person had to be spiritually accomplished to take communion. That is advanced understanding before the Book of Mormon ever revealed that commandment two hundred years later. What polluted and defeated the Pilgrim Zion? WITCHES People. Witches. Druids if you prefer. They never write anything down and strive to be invisable these days.

I think this speaks to the off the wall side in all of us. What can we do about these Witches and Druids?

BURN THEM!!!!!!!!! Does no one watch Monty Python?

It has been a while that the python has been mentioned. And I for one am thankful for you bringing them into this discussion.

Welcome back!

Thanks