Sethbag wrote:The Mormon church isn't so special after all, people. It just happens to be the false religion that we, here, came out of.
If there were no JWs for me to compare Mormons to, I probably would have stayed a Mormon for another 5 years. It would have taken me that much longer to figure out my church and the fervor of belief surrounding me were nothing special.
Dude, the Jehovah's Witnesses were merely created by God as a tool for your benefit. Isn't it obvious that God had the foresight to miraculously lead you out of Mormonism and into atheism?
Thanx for this thread and the condensed primer on JWs. I knew some their beliefs but your primer taught me more.
Sincerely, Pokatator
It's all lies! If you really want to learn about JWs, you need to talk to faithful members/apologists. Afterall, you don't go to a ford dealership to learn about toyotas.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Thanx for this thread and the condensed primer on JWs. I knew some their beliefs but your primer taught me more.
Sincerely, Pokatator
It's all lies! If you really want to learn about JWs, you need to talk to faithful members/apologists. Afterall, you don't go to a ford dealership to learn about toyotas.
Exactly, so many LDS believe things about other churches (they apostatized sometime after Christ died, they teach falsehoods, they have some truth but not all, etc.) and they believe these things based on what their LDS leaders tell them instead of going to the source. If someone really wants to know if the Catholic church apostatized, they need to go talk to the Catholics. If they want to know if Jehovah Witnesses only teach some truth and not all truth they need to go talk to Jehovah's Witnesses. Don't trust what LDS say about other religions, go to the source.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Who Knows wrote:Can I assume, then, that you don't agree with this:
they (the various religious sects) were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
No, I agree with it. Human language has a funny way of being ambiguous. Nowhere in there do I see that everything they teach is an abomination. Note that churches teach the importance of the atonement, repentance, forgiveness, and so on. The are wrong about the Trinity, authority, celestial marriage, and so on.
It says "all their creeds were an abomination".
That means 'everything' in my mind. So basically, all of their beliefs/doctrine (creeds) are an abomination.
How are you interpreting Jesus' statement to Joseph Smith as meaning that merely some of their beliefs are wrong, but they're right on "many" things?
Silly goose, don't you know that apologists know better what Jesus meant than Jesus himself did? Jesus apparently has communication problems. His perfection doesn't extend to framing sentences in ways that don't require apologists to step in and explain what he really meant.
Oh, and minor point, I believe it was the Father who said all other sects were an abomination rather than Jesus. Wasn't the J guy the silent white-beared dude on the othr white-bearded speaker dude's right side?
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
guy sajer wrote:Silly goose, don't you know that apologists know better what Jesus meant than Jesus himself did? Jesus apparently has communication problems. His perfection doesn't extend to framing sentences in ways that don't require apologists to step in and explain what he really meant.
Oh, and minor point, I believe it was the Father who said all other sects were an abomination rather than Jesus. Wasn't the J guy the silent white-beared dude on the speaker's right side?
Actually, I think the Father introduced the Son ("This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!") and then Jesus said the part about joining no church and abominations, etc.
guy sajer wrote:Silly goose, don't you know that apologists know better what Jesus meant than Jesus himself did? Jesus apparently has communication problems. His perfection doesn't extend to framing sentences in ways that don't require apologists to step in and explain what he really meant.
Oh, and minor point, I believe it was the Father who said all other sects were an abomination rather than Jesus. Wasn't the J guy the silent white-beared dude on the speaker's right side?
Actually, I think the Father introduced the Son ("This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!") and then Jesus said the part about joining no church and abominations, etc.
Whichj brings up the question of why Jesus is God's "beloved son". Aren't we all his children? If I was Joseph Smith, I would have said, "He's your beloved son? What am I, your bitch?"
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
SatanWasSetUp wrote:Whichj brings up the question of why Jesus is God's "beloved son". Aren't we all his children? If I was Joseph Smith, I would have said, "He's your beloved son? What am I, your bitch?"
Thanks for making me laugh. I needed that. I've never thought of that, but maybe this is just an indicator that Russell Nelson was right about conditional love.
SatanWasSetUp wrote:Which brings up the question of why Jesus is God's "beloved son". Aren't we all his children? If I was Joseph Smith, I would have said, "He's your beloved son? What am I, your bitch?"
Thanx for this thread and the condensed primer on JWs. I knew some their beliefs but your primer taught me more.
Sincerely, Pokatator
It's all lies! If you really want to learn about JWs, you need to talk to faithful members/apologists. Afterall, you don't go to a ford dealership to learn about toyotas.
I'm sorry, I haven't been able to view MADB for almost a year now, I'm starting to forget everything Juliann taught me.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably. bcspace