Trashcanman got banned from MAD!

[_Runtu]

The thread was a train wreck ready to happen. It probably should have been closed immediately. And I think that the mods now realize their mistake. But by the time they realized what was happening, it was too late.

Of course, this is only my opinion.

David should have come over here to respond. Lobbing stuff back and forth like that is never going to turn out well.

[_harmony]

The thread was a train wreck ready to happen. It probably should have been closed immediately. And I think that the mods now realize their mistake. But by the time they realized what was happening, it was too late.

Of course, this is only my opinion.

David should have come over here to respond. Lobbing stuff back and forth like that is never going to turn out well.

It's not like he doesn't have an account here, because he used to post quite frequently... until he got all twisted up like a pretzel a few times and the mods didn't help him out.

[_Alter Idem]

Wow....that's a real shocker I think. He seems totally laid back usually.

Well....it all went down on that Divine Council thread. Chaos dropped the hammer. I totally didn't see that one coming on TCM.

I could have predicted that one. It's an unwritten law that you never side with Kevin Graham.

The thread was a train wreck ready to happen. It probably should have been closed immediately. And I think that the mods now realize their mistake. But by the time they realized what was happening, it was too late.

Of course, this is only my opinion.

You are absolutely correct. That thread should have been closed. It involved a personal dispute that the members of MADB were not even aware of until it was brought there. It involved a banned member who couldn't respond and it has been made clear to all of us that Kevin is not to be a subject on that board. David should have ignored Kevin's comments if he didn't want to engage him. If he felt it was so important that he answer Kevin's criticisms, he should have done it on the board where the criticisms were made. He should not have opened a thread on MADB where it was bound to cause trouble. I'm sorry Trashcanman is the fall out.

[_Alter Idem]

Someone please explain to me how this isn’t a “chose your side” call for all participants?

Why the hell would anyone at MAD come post over here now when they know they risk being placed on the Momus s*** list?

Any poster with any kind of balls would come over here in an instant, rather than allow the mad mods at MAD to control their ability to express themselves.

See, this is the problem. MormonDiscussions is not a board like MADB. It's just not. I'm sure someone will tell me to stay in the Celestial forum and I can have the same kind of discussions(or better) as they have at MADB. But it just won't happen. All it takes is a couple of thread derailments and your Celestial thread gets moved to Terrestrial, or Telestial and it's no longer the kind of discussion a TBM like me wants to engage in. TBM posters are tolerated by many here, but you can't deny that some actively dislike us and feel we are invading their space. I understand David's decision to not post here; I can see why he wanted to respond to Kevin, but do so at MADB. I just think it was not wise since it was Kevin--he is such a polarizing poster and so disliked by certain people who have influence over there.

I suspect there are others like me who don't agree with some of the moderating decisions at MADB, but we remain silent, in order to survive there. You can think it's cowardly, but I'm just not ready to give up message boards--since I've found no other board to suit me.

[_Runtu]

See, this is the problem. MormonDiscussions is not a board like MADB. It's just not. I'm sure someone will tell me to stay in the Celestial forum and I can have the same kind of discussions(or better) as they have at MADB. But it just won't happen. All it takes is a couple of thread derailments and your Celestial thread gets moved to Terrestrial, or Telestial and it's no longer the kind of discussion a TBM like me wants to engage in. TBM posters are tolerated by many here, but you can't deny that some actively dislike us and feel we are invading their space. I understand David's decision to not post here; I can see why he wanted to respond to Kevin, but do so at MADB. I just think it was not wise since it was Kevin--he is such a polarizing poster and so disliked by certain people who have influence over there.

I suspect there are others like me who don't agree with some of the moderating decisions at MADB, but we remain silent, in order to survive there. You can think it's cowardly, but I'm just not ready to give up message boards--since I've found no other board to suit me.

You do realize that you just broke your silence, don't you?

But I do agree with you. This place, as much as I like it, would be much more interesting if more believers posted here. But some people seem to wear it as a badge of honor that they have driven people away.

[_why me]

Someone please explain to me how this isn’t a “chose your side” call for all participants?

Why the hell would anyone at MAD come post over here now when they know they risk being placed on the Momus s*** list?

Any poster with any kind of balls would come over here in an instant, rather than allow the mad mods at MAD to control their ability to express themselves.

See, this is the problem. MormonDiscussions is not a board like MADB. It's just not. I'm sure someone will tell me to stay in the Celestial forum and I can have the same kind of discussions(or better) as they have at MADB. But it just won't happen. All it takes is a couple of thread derailments and your Celestial thread gets moved to Terrestrial, or Telestial and it's no longer the kind of discussion a TBM like me wants to engage in. TBM posters are tolerated by many here, but you can't deny that some actively dislike us and feel we are invading their space. I understand David's decision to not post here; I can see why he wanted to respond to Kevin, but do so at MADB. I just think it was not wise since it was Kevin--he is such a polarizing poster and so disliked by certain people who have influence over there.

I suspect there are others like me who don't agree with some of the moderating decisions at MADB, but we remain silent, in order to survive there. You can think it's cowardly, but I'm just not ready to give up message boards--since I've found no other board to suit me.

Actually I don't believe that the first part of your post is true. The derailment will not happen. The moderators respect the celestial forum and any poster that crosses the line will be told so. The Dan and Dale thread proves my point. It has remained in the celestial forum.

Cross border discussions will fail. And they make no sense. The celestial forum would have been a good place for discussion and the mods or shades or keene would have placed it under the Dan/Dale thread at the top. Such a top level discussion would get special treatment here.

The second part of your post was interesting. Do you really think that MAAD moderators would ban you for speaking your mind. I doubt it. The LDS posters at MAAD are valued and no LDS poster would get banned for being critical of certain policies or voicing them. For example, Trashcan should perhaps be reinstated but he or she also crossed the line when he or she ignored the warning. Perhaps David can speak on trashcan's behalf.

[_dartagnan]

I suspect there are others like me who don't agree with some of the moderating decisions at MADB, but we remain silent, in order to survive there.

How is that for a new sig line...

[_Runtu]

The second part of your post was interesting. Do you really think that MAAD moderators would ban you for speaking your mind. I doubt it. The LDS posters at MAAD are valued and no LDS poster would get banned for being critical of certain policies or voicing them. For example, Trashcan should perhaps be reinstated but he or she also crossed the line when he or she ignored the warning. Perhaps David can speak on trashcan's behalf.

I think you're right. LDS posters wouldn't be banned for questioning the moderators or their policies. Critics would, though.

[_Doctor Steuss]

[...] Some of these counter-apologists been around for a long time working as moderates: Katherine the Great, Structurecop, Dr. Steuss, and HiJolly. I respect these level-headed posters as much as I respect the critics, and I'm content letting them deal with the lunatics in their midst. [...]

I'm sure the others feel the same when I say that coming from you, this is an amazing compliment.

Thank you.

Really.

Admittedly though, after I tore apart a chapter of Doctrines of Salvation on the board about 7-8 months ago, I’ve slowly grown tired of speaking up because they usually become a long drawn out conversation that goes no where (and when people like Son are involved… it’s like a really bad acid trip). That, and I really don’t have the knowledge and intellect to successfully argue some of the science stuff. Reading posts by you and Tarski is the equivalent of taking college level courses (or reminiscent of the days when I would spend hours at the library reading various journals in order to compensate for my lack of formal education).

There’s also that strange twinge of hypocrisy I feel. Right as I begin to type up a post telling how ludicrous something about the “vibration of light,” etc., I realize that 3-4 days out of the week, I believe that there might be a G-d, that He might have spoken to some people, and Joseph Smith may have been one of those people.

In a way, it almost makes me feel like I’m worse than them for arguing against silly notions while at the same time tentatively embracing silly notions of my own.

[_Alter Idem]

The second part of your post was interesting. Do you really think that MAAD moderators would ban you for speaking your mind. I doubt it. The LDS posters at MAAD are valued and no LDS poster would get banned for being critical of certain policies or voicing them. For example, Trashcan should perhaps be reinstated but he or she also crossed the line when he or she ignored the warning. Perhaps David can speak on trashcan's behalf.

Why me, Trashcanman spoke his mind and he was banned. Did you see this comment from a mod?

Anyone else want to join him? We have his posts they had nothing to do with the thread topic it seems that Kevin Graham has taught him well.

The implication was clear. If anyone else said any more on the subject, they would be banned also. LDS posters like me are a dime a dozen...if we cross the mods, we're gone, the same as the critics.

I don't know if David will want to speak on trashcanman's behalf. I did not see all of TCM's comments because they were deleted from the thread (saw them here) I do not know if trashcan received multiple warnings before the banning, but he was pushing the issue with David and I'd assume David didn't appreciate it.

Trashcanman may have deserved banning if he ignored repeated warnings. My complaint was that the thread was in response to something that was brought up on a different board and posted on MADB for discussion where Kevin is banned and can't respond. I don't see the point of bringing it to MADB if Kevin can't respond and anyone who responds for him is considered out of line.

I can only surmise that CKSalmon was right for why the thread was started and why it was allowed to remain open.