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gramps wrote:
why me wrote:
gramps wrote:Change that damn avatar, while you are at it, why don't you? What's really funny is now there are two of you over on the madness board using the same avatar. Too funny! Thank god no one worships the guy!

p.s. edited to add: yeah, I remember cowpie. Why don't you take that moniker. That is a perfect one for you!


Gramps you may find this hard to believe but my avatar was given to me....are you ready for this...are you sitting down.....get that strong drink ready...by Dr. Shades!!!

He hoisted it from my MAAD avatar. One day, I noticed it under my name. Of course, I liked it, no problem but I did not know how to do it myself nor would I have ever figured it out. I am no computer guru.

Thanks Shades for my avatar!! :=) Well, gramps, what da ya think now??


Hey dumb a.., you could have asked that it be taken back down. You accepted it, you chose it. That's the way I see it. What about the one over on the madness board? Did Julianne do that for you?

Of course I accepted it but did not choose it. On MAAD one can choose it from a list of avatars. It was easy. And yes, I chose it. But I would never have dreamed of transfering it to this site. But yes, I like it and I was grateful for shades for doing it without my permission.

Life is strange, isn't it??
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why me wrote:
gramps wrote:
why me wrote:
gramps wrote:Change that damn avatar, while you are at it, why don't you? What's really funny is now there are two of you over on the madness board using the same avatar. Too funny! Thank god no one worships the guy!

p.s. edited to add: yeah, I remember cowpie. Why don't you take that moniker. That is a perfect one for you!


Gramps you may find this hard to believe but my avatar was given to me....are you ready for this...are you sitting down.....get that strong drink ready...by Dr. Shades!!!

He hoisted it from my MAAD avatar. One day, I noticed it under my name. Of course, I liked it, no problem but I did not know how to do it myself nor would I have ever figured it out. I am no computer guru.

Thanks Shades for my avatar!! :=) Well, gramps, what da ya think now??


Hey dumb a.., you could have asked that it be taken back down. You accepted it, you chose it. That's the way I see it. What about the one over on the madness board? Did Julianne do that for you?

Of course I accepted it but did not choose it. On MAAD one can choose it from a list of avatars. It was easy. And yes, I chose it. But I would never have dreamed of transfering it to this site. But yes, I like it and I was grateful for shades for doing it without my permission.

Life is strange, isn't it??


I'm communicating with you on this board. Yeah, I would say life is just a tad strange.
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Alright I just got finished reading part of Ray A's thread. Isn't this opening post kinda confrontational?

Ray A wrote:Hello angry exmos, how are you today? I'm fine, thank you.
I've been watching this BB for a while now and I thought some of you would like some insights into the angry exmo phenomenon.
You can find these thoughts at: http://answeringtheanti-mormons.blogspot.com/
Hi Jeff (Ricks), feel free to engage in censorship (just like MADB does), and delete this thread, and the link. I fully understand. The truth hurts. Get rid of truth: Press "delete". You might particularly like this post: http://answeringtheanti-mormons.blogspo ... onorg.html Yea, verily, it's all about you and this BB.
To those of you who are new to this ex-Mormon phenomenon, here's my advice: IF you really want "dialogue" with Mormons (and I suppose many of you don't), treat your former religion like you would treat an ex-spouse. Do you go on boards and tell the world that your ex-spouse "slurps soup", or that his/her farts stink? Or that she has "Nazi tendencies"? Or that she believes enough crap to fill every sewer on earth? Yeah, way to go.
As you will note, if you care to read the link, I posted on RFM in 2002, but was banished from that board partly because I criticised King Steve Benson for ratting on his family in public. I hope none of you ever go so low. This man published personal, private correspondence between himself and his grandfather, Ezra Taft Benson, to make him an object of public ridicule. Now what, on earth, would motivate something like that? Anger? Is this how low exmos go?
If you are hurting from your Mormon experience, I have no problem with that. I don't even have a problem if you think it's a blatant fraud. What I have a problem with is the way angry exmos want to demonise Mormons as "braindead fundamentalists" and "deluded goons". Understandy?
I do have a serious question for Jeff Ricks: What do you REALLY want to accomplish with this forum, and community?
Do you want the Church to accept you, or CHANGE so that you can feel more comfortable about yourselves? ("It's nice to know that my ex-wife was such a bitch, and I'm such an honourable person. I found 'the truth', she is still deluded".)
(PS: I'm also testing to see if you can tolerate more truth than RFM.)
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Clearly I have time to waste, because I'm trying one more time to show whyme how he doesn't listen or respond meaningfully to what people have said.

In response to my question about why whyme complains about postmormon but does not complain about MAD, he replied:

MAADs mission statement is very clear. Also, it is common knowledge that critics will be culled if they begin to out number the LDS. I remember that this was once mentioned. My problem with Postmo is their mission statement. I bought into it and was duly punished for doing so. I was very postmo, inactive member who went to them to clear my thoughts and to post postmo ideas about life with people who claimed that they were beyond Mormonism in their mission statement. and yes, I did defend the LDS church against the over generalizations on the board about Mormonism.


I asked him to prove that MAD is upfront about its bias against critics. He ignored me. I then provided evidence from both postmormon's and MAD's board guidelines that demonstrated the exact opposite of whyme's assertions. MAD's quotes demonstrated that only well-known scholars or apologists are openly admitted to being given preferential treatment. There is no mention of believers in general being given preferential treatment. In addition, it is admitted to be a debate board, as they provide another forum without debate.

Postmormon's board guidelines clearly demonstrate that the board is intended to be used for support by those who have left Mormonism or are thinking of doing so. Mormon believers will be tolerated under certain conditions.

Conditions:
As a guest you are expected to conduct yourself as any guest normally would when visiting someone’s home, even if you don’t agree with some of the things you find during your visit.


I wouldn't dream of slipping into your Sacrament Meeting, and challenging every testimony is born, even if I was trying to be understanding. Imagine me asking questions phrased like, "Seriously, you guys...how can you believe that Joseph translated the Book of Mormon with a rock in a hat?" I might be sincere in my motive, but that's not how you behave in someone else's house. I could reasonably expect that if you were in my home for dinner, that our conversation pertaining to my beliefs would be respectful and inquisitive.


My experience with seeking understanding is that the vast majority of my time is best spent with my ears wide open and my mouth shut. There is no understanding of another's world view, if I am trying to shape that world view with my constant talking.


More:

whyme said:

But at the same time, if the critics go into mocking mode, they will be banned or if they become to numerous and begin to take over the board, some will be culled, in my opinion.


The MAD board guidelines specify that board members are to be treated with respect. None of their board guidelines confess a different standard for believers versus critics.

MAD:
Do post respectful comments. Name calling, ad-hominem, insults, flaming, badgering, revealing private information about posters, pornographic materials, vulgar content, illegal posts or any information or links to information that are perceived as harassing or illegal are forbidden.


Do not engage in jeering or mockery of the Latter-day Saints or participants on this board. We like strong debate. We expect disagreement and even some quarreling. But we do not expect anyone to quietly submit to continual abuse simply because the topic of this board is about their religion.


My comments:

whyme, again I ask you to provide evidence that MAD is upfront about their bias.

I also ask you why you have disregarded the board guidelines for postmormon in your statements that they're being hypocritical.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Wow, Beastie!

You have one hell of a lot of patience. I predict it will never happen, the answer to your questions, I mean. But you are giving it one hell of an effort.

Hat's off!
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Alright I just got finished reading part of Ray A's thread. Isn't this opening post kinda confrontational?


Absolutely he was extremely confrontational. He could have justly been banned, but the moderator hesitated for a couple of reasons. In the meantime, Ray began to back down because he was actually doing what I haven't yet seen that whyme does himself - listening to what the board members were saying and taking those statements into consideration and modifying some of his positions. (note, he has not modified his position on me, but that's fine with me because I am quite opposed to his irrational statements about online bad behavior prompted acts of violence against Mormons in real life, and will continue to openly oppose that when it comes up)

Ray can act like a real arse, no doubt, and there are times I wonder if he's gone off his nut. But I have seen him able to digest and integrate the responses of others on boards. I haven't seen whyme do that, and if he spent 900 posts doing what he's done on this thread, no wonder they banned him. Twice.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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why me wrote:There are critics on the MAD board right now. Without critics there would be no MAD. But at the same time, if the critics go into mocking mode, they will be banned or if they become to numerous and begin to take over the board, some will be culled, in my opinion. As was said, a long time ago by one of the moderators, critics come and go on the MAD board, there is always a steady supply but the LDS are different in that regard. Getting the LDS to come to MAD is not such a sure thing. Hence, the difference. If the LDS posters feel offended by the critic tones, those critics could face the block.

But since I am not a moderator, it is only my opinion.


Well, just for fun, can you show me where and when my former incarnation (Not Quite Me) was mocking or used an offensively critical tone? Hell, I wasn't even warned. I just got banned out of the blue. Was the board overrun with critics back in February?

My best guess is that I had sided with beastie in a long thread involving Juliann. That was enough to get me banned. If you have evidence to support your thesis as to why we were all banned, please show it.
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beastie wrote:
Alright I just got finished reading part of Ray A's thread. Isn't this opening post kinda confrontational?


Absolutely he was extremely confrontational. He could have justly been banned, but the moderator hesitated for a couple of reasons. In the meantime, Ray began to back down because he was actually doing what I haven't yet seen that whyme does himself - listening to what the board members were saying and taking those statements into consideration and modifying some of his positions. (note, he has not modified his position on me, but that's fine with me because I am quite opposed to his irrational statements about online bad behavior prompted acts of violence against Mormons in real life, and will continue to openly oppose that when it comes up)

Ray can act like a real arse, no doubt, and there are times I wonder if he's gone off his nut. But I have seen him able to digest and integrate the responses of others on boards. I haven't seen whyme do that, and if he spent 900 posts doing what he's done on this thread, no wonder they banned him. Twice.


Beastie, Wade is posting there now. Good God! How much are those poor recovering folks supposed to endure?!

Of course, they don't know Wade's true nature, but I've been busy telling them. From their responses, I think they're listening. :)

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KimberlyAnn wrote:
Beastie, Wade is posting there now. Good God! How much are those poor recovering folks supposed to endure?!

Of course, they don't know Wade's true nature, but I've been busy telling them. From their responses, I think they're listening. :)

KA


In Wade's defense, I really do think he's sincere in wanting to bridge the gap. The problem is that he believes that the church in no way shares any responsibility for the acrimony. So, it's just a matter of us exmos playing nice.
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http://answeringtheanti-mormons.blogspo ... tions.html

Here's Ray A's recent blog entry about his postmorg experience....kudos to Ray A for learning that they're not as bad as RfM or Mormondiscussions. Wait a sec....MDB? Does Ray A not like this little corner of heaven?
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
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