Blixa wrote:why me's post on the exmo conference was pathetic. It demonstrated a lack of experience with "conferences" in general (of which there are many forms, professionalist and not) as well as utter insensivity to both the obvious and the nuanced at the exmormon conference: for example the lack of homogeneity on many levels among exmormons which makes that conference (as well as RfM, by the way) such a hodge podge---which is a good thing. Furthermore he also misses the important interstices in the program, the places where the truly important things go down: like finding amazing wonderful human beings with which to embark on emotionally deep, immensely satisfying, life-altering friendships.
I wasn't there. I listened to the conference as posted on their website. And that is the impression that I got. I am sure if I were there I would have had a great time meeting some of the postmos and exmos. And many who would know my screen name would have seen that I am not such a 'confused' and 'wacko' person. I do believe in such conferences. But I did find the format on the audio recording very mormonisk. I can understand following the same format as a sacrament meeting. Apples never fall far from the tree.
The sound man also was critical of the audio on their website. It sounded as if ten people were in the audience.
--Pay homage and respect to the LDS Church and it's leaders --Must agree to the idea that the LDS scriptures might be true (and agree that they hold moral truths irregardless) --Agree not to make fun of any LDS doctrines, cultural issues, or anything possibly remoting tied to the LDS church --Agree not to complain about any time or money that the exmos may have contributed to the LDS church that they now regret --Agree not to complain about how the LDS church effects an exmos family or social network
In order to bridge the gap with Wade.
Sounds good. Lets hope that he succeeds. :=)
Actually, I think that the conversation will take place and it will go along the lines of Ray A. I cannot see the postmos giving Wade a hard time. I think that many of the posters will be on their behavior. Jeff may however require Wade to answer all posts directed at him and Wade may find this to be daunting. Mormons on postmo seem to have to answer all posts, especially posts made by Jeff.
But Wade should get the royal treatment like Ray A. The postmos can only gain from it. After, Ray and Wade go home, all will return to normal in LDS bashing. That is my prediction. But I do wish for success for wade.
The RFMites on postmo will be tempted to give a hard time, however. I do not believe that they want bridges to be built.
I just gave the folks at PostMormon fair warning about Wade. I hope they listen.
Wade is not genuine in his attempts to bridge gaps. His only goal is to absolve the Mormon church of all wrongdoing and place blame on former members. That has been his consistent motive here, and I will not let anyone be fooled by him if I can help it!
why me wrote:I do not believe that they want bridges to be built.
I doubt bridges can be built between two groups who make absolutist claims. Exmos of course will say "the church isn't true" and give reasons (history, science, whatever)...and a deeply believing "TBM" LDS person will claim the "the church is true" and give their reasons (faith, testimony, whatever). I don't know how peace can ever be formed between two such groups who make such absolutist claims. The best that can be gotten probably is to agree to disagree and declare an armistice and not discuss topics of conflict.
But I'm kinda cynical about human nature. Although I wish people would simply get past arguing about abstract matters such as God and the cosmos and stuff.....but I guess the many veins that religion has made into our everyday lives (via social issues, church involvement in people's lives) makes that impossible. Sigh.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Blixa wrote:why me's post on the exmo conference was pathetic. It demonstrated a lack of experience with "conferences" in general (of which there are many forms, professionalist and not) as well as utter insensivity to both the obvious and the nuanced at the exmormon conference: for example the lack of homogeneity on many levels among exmormons which makes that conference (as well as RfM, by the way) such a hodge podge---which is a good thing. Furthermore he also misses the important interstices in the program, the places where the truly important things go down: like finding amazing wonderful human beings with which to embark on emotionally deep, immensely satisfying, life-altering friendships.
I wasn't there.
Oh my lord. You weren't even there?
I listened to the conference as posted on their website. And that is the impression that I got.
So how did you know attendance was sparse? Or how the audience received the speakers?
But I did find the format on the audio recording very mormonisk.
mormon-esque?
I can understand following the same format as a sacrament meeting. Apples never fall far from the tree.
Guess I missed the passing of the sacrament.
It sounded as if ten people were in the audience.
Well you were wrong.
Sorry about your grandmother...
gee, thanks, guy.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
Well, I was willing to give Wade a chance, because he made some reasonable posts on MAD recently. But it didn't take long for his true colors to start peeping through. First, his continual refusal to apologize to KA, and then he talked about "recovering" from Mormonism, using the scare quotes. He just can't help himself. As much as he is trying to dress himself up differently, he's still wade.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
beastie wrote:Well, I was willing to give Wade a chance, because he made some reasonable posts on MAD recently. But it didn't take long for his true colors to start peeping through. First, his continual refusal to apologize to KA, and then he talked about "recovering" from Mormonism, using the scare quotes. He just can't help himself. As much as he is trying to dress himself up differently, he's still wade.
I still think it's funny that he believes that to apologize is to mire oneself in the past. Apparently, "healing" goes one way with Wade.
beastie wrote:Well, I was willing to give Wade a chance, because he made some reasonable posts on MAD recently. But it didn't take long for his true colors to start peeping through. First, his continual refusal to apologize to KA, and then he talked about "recovering" from Mormonism, using the scare quotes. He just can't help himself. As much as he is trying to dress himself up differently, he's still wade.
I still think it's funny that he believes that to apologize is to mire oneself in the past. Apparently, "healing" goes one way with Wade.
I hadn't caught that, runtu. That's good for me to know as I collect my file of "various ways to be unable to deal with history"...
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
beastie wrote:Well, I was willing to give Wade a chance, because he made some reasonable posts on MAD recently. But it didn't take long for his true colors to start peeping through. First, his continual refusal to apologize to KA, and then he talked about "recovering" from Mormonism, using the scare quotes. He just can't help himself. As much as he is trying to dress himself up differently, he's still wade.
I still think it's funny that he believes that to apologize is to mire oneself in the past. Apparently, "healing" goes one way with Wade.
Wade's bluffing. Wade knows the steps of repentence as well as any LDS, especially a member whose gone through a Court of Love. So Wade knows that apologizing for wronging another is a requirement of repentence, which tells me he has no intention of repenting of what he said about KA. And she'll wait until hell freezes over (or charity posts on MDB) for that apology.
beastie wrote:Well, I was willing to give Wade a chance, because he made some reasonable posts on MAD recently. But it didn't take long for his true colors to start peeping through. First, his continual refusal to apologize to KA, and then he talked about "recovering" from Mormonism, using the scare quotes. He just can't help himself. As much as he is trying to dress himself up differently, he's still wade.
I still think it's funny that he believes that to apologize is to mire oneself in the past. Apparently, "healing" goes one way with Wade.
Wade's bluffing. Wade knows the steps of repentence as well as any LDS, especially a member whose gone through a Court of Love. So Wade knows that apologizing for wronging another is a requirement of repentence, which tells me he has no intention of repenting of what he said about KA. And she'll wait until hell freezes over (or charity posts on MDB) for that apology.
Oh, I'm not waiting for an apology, that's for sure. I don't expect one. I do think people ought to know who they're dealing with, so I hopped over to PostMormon to let them know.