I'm Getting Bored...

[_harmony]

Indeed, Book of Mormon. Issues with the church.

Well I'm confuzzled harmony. I see issues with God all over this board. I do have issues with faith and spirituality and it is something that interests me greatly! Sorry if my considerations and issues don't quite meet others definition of 'issues' that they like to read about.

Issues with God, Book of Mormon. God does not equal the LDS church (much as the apologists would have us believe it does). And even then, I have no issue with discussing your issues with God. I do have issues with seeing your kitty poop (and anyone else's, lest you again personalize my statement to meaning only you) all over threads in the Terrestial forum, derailing them. Keep your discussions focused on the LDS church and/or God, and we'll get along fine.

No one's asking anyone to leave. Where did that come from? All I'm saying is, to those who are currently not: post appropriate to the forum.

How bout you PM a Mod and ask them to deal with it instead of whining about it? I too have issues with people being called names (matter of fact I had a knock down drag out for a few pages with schmo when you were called an innapropriate name!) and being cruel in this forum. I do not enjoy it at all.

Why? This is a thread about the state of the forum. Any mod can read it. So can anyone else. I'm not averse to being open and upfront, as opposed to resorting to the covert, as in the PM system.

I also find the sexual twitters sort of silly sometimes... but CONSIDERING the LDS have a really, really, really funked up repressed sexuality then that is COMPLETELY understandable. It appears, to me, that the sexual hurrahs or snickerings DO directly relate to how people have issues with sexuality in their lives. I see it as completely appropriate - even if it skeeves me out sometimes. Again, understanding that each person has their own way of coping with their issues - and that IS a Church issue Harmony.

When the thread is about sexuality, especially when it's about the LDS church and sexuality, I agree with you. Unfortunately, many many threads that become sexualized are not about sexuality at all. And I am objecting that that happens, especially as often as it has lately.

Recall the numerous threads on masturbation? Guilt? Sexual relations in a marriage? Etc.. these things manifest in sometimes bizarre ways on this board. It is perfectly clear to me, when I see it, what is happening. I understand that it DOES relate to the Church in many instances.

Agreed. That doesn't address when masturbation is brought up as a red herring, completely unrelated to the thread subject though. I don't appreciate that, no matter who brings it in.

Perhaps people should ask the Mods to split the threads off... unless of course the ENTIRE thread deals with sexuality - as is often the case since human sexuality is a topic the Church takes on.

Indeed. And why should we have to resort to that? Why can people not police themselves, and make appropriate comments, based on the subject of the thread, instead of inserting inappropriate comments? We should be able to moderate ourselves. This isn't MAD, after all, where the babysitting is almost mandatory.

No, you aren't, and no, it isn't. I'm saying that as gently as I am able.

Well I was being silly (see I do THAT!) when I wrote that Harmony.

Indeed. and it wasn't appropriate. And I let you know that, as gently as I know how. See? That's what I do... at least sometimes, when I care enough. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother to be gentle.

Smut belongs in Telestial, period. Never in Terrestial, never in Celestial. Only by staying true to the values of MDB can we attract and keep posters across the spectrum of belief. Smut placed inappropriately only gives MAD ammunition against us. If you want to wallow in a kitty litter box, by all means, do so... in Telestial where such smut belongs.

What do you define as smut? Perhaps this is where there is a breakdown in communication? I rarely see real smutty things in this forum.

Smut is like obscenity. I know it when I see it. Sexualizing a thread that has no connection to sexual issues (masturbation, references to whips and chains, etc) is imappropriate in this forum. They belong in Telestial.

Perhaps everyone has different sensibilities and it is difficult to know what is or is not completely innapropriate. For instance, what Schmo said to me in this thread would most definitely, I believe, belong in the Telestial forum. Now I don't have my panties in a wad about it but if someone else does shoot a PM to a Mod.

Again, we shouldn't have to PM a mod. We should post appropriate to the Terrestial forum. I shouldn't have to remind anyone what is appropriate; we all know when we step over the line. We should self-police, instead of following the MAD pattern of running to the mods to mop up the kitty poop in the middle of the conversation.

Dead horse?

On the contrary. Valid discussion.

[_gramps]

I know for some, this board is like their baby, and they feel they've helped it into its adolescence.

However, some of these complaints are nonsense. Gosh, how do some of you get through walking down the street a block without having your ears and souls offended? How do you survive? earplugs? blinders?

I really treasure the few friends here that I have let into my life and me into theirs and that is important to me.

I'm staying around and I am going to have fun with them and let the moderators do their job.

Why me is not the only whiner here, for sure.

I don't like the jerks on the tram every morning screaming into their cell phones or playing their music so loud that we all get to hear it, but that is life. It is not how I would raise my children necessarily or how I do it myself, but I am not offended by it and my life just keeps rolling on. And all these different people add color and joy to the world.

I kind of dig it that way and I hope the board can be like that.

But, some people are soooo sensitive. What's up with that?

If you're referring to me, Gramps, all I'm asking is that comments be appropriate to the forum in which they are placed. We're getting sloppy about where we post what we post.

Sloppy is acceptable sometimes for me. I actually enjoy it at times. But I will try my darndest to respect feelings like yours and others here.

[_Jersey Girl]

Random comments from this current page of postings:

I'm staying around and I am going to have fun with them and let the moderators do their job.

Surely anyone that thinks that would be appropriate, in any instance, can send a PM to a Mod and it can be dealt with.


Perhaps people should ask the Mods to split the threads off.

Now I don't have my panties in a wad about it but if someone else does shoot a PM to a Mod.

Geez, folks. The mods are posters here too.

[_Jersey Girl]

harm

We've got almost 500 members now, not the less than 100 that we had not so long ago.

harm, we really don't have almost 500 members. If you look at the memberlist you can see that a large number of members are those who registered a screen name and never posted. These should be deleted, IMHO.

Why would you want to delete them? Can't they register a name and then lurk to their hearts' content? And some want to read the blogs that are only for registered members. What about those people? Should we delete them too, because they haven't posted.

And we are still waiting for Charity to make her appearance. We don't want to delete her before she gets up her nerve to make that first post, do we?

You make a good point about lurkers, Gramps. With regards to Charity...she was personally attacked on the thread just announcing her registration. Why on earth should she "get up the nerve" to make a post? I doubt it was her anyway.

[_gramps]

harm

We've got almost 500 members now, not the less than 100 that we had not so long ago.

harm, we really don't have almost 500 members. If you look at the memberlist you can see that a large number of members are those who registered a screen name and never posted. These should be deleted, IMHO.

Why would you want to delete them? Can't they register a name and then lurk to their hearts' content? And some want to read the blogs that are only for registered members. What about those people? Should we delete them too, because they haven't posted.

And we are still waiting for Charity to make her appearance. We don't want to delete her before she gets up her nerve to make that first post, do we?

You make a good point about lurkers, Gramps. With regards to Charity...she was personally attacked on the thread just announcing her registration. Why on earth should she "get up the nerve" to make a post? I doubt it was her anyway.

Charity can hold her own. She has been over on the "anti-Mormon ev christian" boards and survived. She can survive here, maybe only in the celestial kingdom, but, nevertheless.....Still waiting for you Miss Charity.....

[_barrelomonkeys]

Issues with God, Book of Mormon. God does not equal the LDS church (much as the apologists would have us believe it does). And even then, I have no issue with discussing your issues with God. I do have issues with seeing your kitty poop (and anyone else's, lest you again personalize my statement to meaning only you) all over threads in the Terrestial forum, derailing them. Keep your discussions focused on the LDS church and/or God, and we'll get along fine.

Well it must be a good thing that many people I talk to do believe the Church has something to do with God! Quite a few in fact. Did you recognize Harmony that I have attended a local ward about 6 times over the last year? That I've read the Book of Mormon as well as attempted to read the KJV of the Bible? Ya see to me without God there is NO Church at all. I do have issues - again - too frickin bad if 'my' issues don't cut it for YOU! They apparently cut it for some others.

Perhaps we should understand that we can't control what others post and just deal with it. If I do have an issue with what someone says I take them or their issue on.

I'm curious where I've pooped on this board? In the last few days I replied to someone that said something about 'wild indians' with a picture of a 'wild indian'. Not ME that brought that up. It was silly - no doubt! But all in all these conversations just sort of drift to the inane because they often ARE inane. I stay out of serious threads unless there is something I can contribute - and even then I'm hesitant.

I don't care if 'we get along fine' Harmony. That's not on my list of important matters at the moment.

Why? This is a thread about the state of the forum. Any mod can read it. So can anyone else. I'm not averse to being open and upfront, as opposed to resorting to the covert, as in the PM system.

Well considering the Mods leave a huge bit of the kitty poop it does seem like it might be rather fruitless. Good thinking!

When the thread is about sexuality, especially when it's about the LDS church and sexuality, I agree with you. Unfortunately, many many threads that become sexualized are not about sexuality at all. And I am objecting that that happens, especially as often as it has lately.

I agree with you! I cringe and look away. And that's it.

Indeed. And why should we have to resort to that? Why can people not police themselves, and make appropriate comments, based on the subject of the thread, instead of inserting inappropriate comments? We should be able to moderate ourselves. This isn't MAD, after all, where the babysitting is almost mandatory.

We can't control others Harmony. It's not happening. I was making a suggestion. If you want to wring your hands and fret about it be my guest. If something upsets me I'll take it to a Mod - which I've done before.

Indeed. and it wasn't appropriate. And I let you know that, as gently as I know how. See? That's what I do... at least sometimes, when I care enough. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother to be gentle.

Hahahaa! What was NOT appropriate? You said kitties and litter boxes and I went with it... ya see that's called HUMOR Harmony. Sheesh. Was it appropriate when YOU made the metaphor? But NOT okay when I used it? Good grief!

[_harmony]

Issues with God, Book of Mormon. God does not equal the LDS church (much as the apologists would have us believe it does). And even then, I have no issue with discussing your issues with God. I do have issues with seeing your kitty poop (and anyone else's, lest you again personalize my statement to meaning only you) all over threads in the Terrestial forum, derailing them. Keep your discussions focused on the LDS church and/or God, and we'll get along fine.

Well it must be a good thing that many people I talk to do believe the Church has something to do with God! Quite a few in fact. Did you recognize Harmony that I have attended a local ward about 6 times over the last year? That I've read the Book of Mormon as well as attempted to read the KJV of the Bible? Ya see to me without God there is NO Church at all. I do have issues - again - too frickin bad if 'my' issues don't cut it for YOU! They apparently cut it for some others.

You are conflating two different things, Book of Mormon. Any appropriate comments you (or anyone else) makes is fine. Any sexualized comment when the thread is not about sexual issues, is not appropriate for this forum. Surely you know if your comment is on-subject or not. No one should have to tell you, and I'm certainly not complaining about your on-subject comments. I'm complaining about off-subject comments, especially off-subject sexual comments that derail the thread. If the shoe fits, then wear it. If it doesn't fit you, then don't take my comments personally.

Perhaps we should understand that we can't control what others post and just deal with it. If I do have an issue with what someone says I take them or their issue on.

We shouldn't have to control anyone. Everyone should control themselves! That's the point and beauty of this board: we can police ourselves. We don't need MAD mods. We have multiple forums to post on, all of which have different levels of tolerance for inappropriate posts. Yet we have several posters who persist in making inappropriate comments in the Terrestial forum, and I feel comfortable commenting on those type of comments.

I'm curious where I've pooped on this board? In the last few days I replied to someone that said something about 'wild indians' with a picture of a 'wild indian'. Not ME that brought that up. It was silly - no doubt! But all in all these conversations just sort of drift to the inane because they often ARE inane. I stay out of serious threads unless there is something I can contribute - and even then I'm hesitant.

You're the one who said you were the kitty and this was your board, not me. You owned the problem; I didn't drop it in your (or only your) lap. And yes, I felt the picture of the Native American woman was inappropriate as were the precipitating and subsequent comments, but not only for the reason you assume. I work with Native women on a daily basis, and that picture would have offended them, as would have the context.

I don't care if 'we get along fine' Harmony. That's not on my list of important matters at the moment.

That also is yours to own, not mine.

Why? This is a thread about the state of the forum. Any mod can read it. So can anyone else. I'm not averse to being open and upfront, as opposed to resorting to the covert, as in the PM system.

Well considering the Mods leave a huge bit of the kitty poop it does seem like it might be rather fruitless. Good thinking!

Which also is inappropriate, if as some posters have commented, they'd like to see more LDS posters here. I am not a staid TBM, and I am often offended by what is posted here. Normally, I just consider the source and step around it, but lately the litter box has been overflowing.

When the thread is about sexuality, especially when it's about the LDS church and sexuality, I agree with you. Unfortunately, many many threads that become sexualized are not about sexuality at all. And I am objecting that that happens, especially as often as it has lately.

I agree with you! I cringe and look away. And that's it.

To me, a problem unaddressed is a problem that won't be solved. Cringing and looking away give tacit agreement to the problem. Objecting allows everyone to see that which is inappropriate.

Indeed. And why should we have to resort to that? Why can people not police themselves, and make appropriate comments, based on the subject of the thread, instead of inserting inappropriate comments? We should be able to moderate ourselves. This isn't MAD, after all, where the babysitting is almost mandatory.

We can't control others Harmony. It's not happening. I was making a suggestion. If you want to wring your hands and fret about it be my guest. If something upsets me I'll take it to a Mod - which I've done before.

We shouldn't have to control others, Book of Mormon. That's why I'm calling for self-control, not Mod control. And since I'm not wringing my hands or fretting, instead I'm having a public discussion about an issue I think needs to be addressed, I'll continue my way, thanks. I have reported my objections to mods a grand total of once in my years of posting, and that was a personal attack on someone else that was completely unjustified. I don't deal that way. I prefer to be out in the open where everyone can follow. I much prefer the overt to the covert. Covert reminds 'way too much of the way things are done in the church, and any time I can get away from that, I will.

Indeed. and it wasn't appropriate. And I let you know that, as gently as I know how. See? That's what I do... at least sometimes, when I care enough. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother to be gentle.

Hahahaa! What was NOT appropriate? You said kitties and litter boxes and I went with it... ya see that's called HUMOR Harmony. Sheesh. Was it appropriate when YOU made the metaphor? But NOT okay when I used it? Good grief!

This thread was not "humorous" nor were my comments intended to be "humorous". There was certainly no humor intended in my kitty litter comment. On the contrary, it was an illustration using a common household item. Humor has its place. When it's out of place, it's inappropriate.

If, as you say, you avoid serious threads, you might want to bail on this one right now, because this, Book of Mormon, is a serious thread. Or at least, it started out that way.

[_David A. Bednar]

Speaking of kitty litter, that reminds me of a story Tommy was telling me the other day while fishing for those big browns up on the Logan. (We've patched up our differences using some of Brother Wade's techniques. Truly amazing and effective, I must say).

But, maybe I shouldn't tell it.....Oh, maybe I will.....wait, I will let Tommy tell it. It is his story.

This has been a very fascinating thread, indeed.

Funny, I've been bored with things here lately and I am too wondering if maybe I have gotten over all my issues with the church and Brother Packer.

Dear Wife and I have been hanging out in Jamaica a lot more these days and don't mind a little poop on our shoes. Well, I still don't like them on my wing tips, but now we're both in sandles much more and really, who gives a darn about a little poop. Makes things grow. There is nothing better than eating certain vegetables and herbs grown in poop.

But, what do ya say, folks? Let's keep the poop where it belongs. Huh?

Now about lurkers: lurkers are good and every once in a while, just like bringing one of those big browns up to the surface from amongst all the lurkers at the bottom of the pool, a lurker becomes a new poster. Let's watch out for all those lurkers, huh? I was once a lurker too and PP nearly drove my wife away. But, then she found Runtu and Sethbag and just put PP on "ignore."

It worked for her. Have I mentioned before that my wife is much more relaxed after spending time in Jamaica with the sisters there. They've got her cooking up Jamaican home specialties with all kinds of local herbs. We are really enjoying our time there. She is listening to Bob Marley as we post. I prefer Jimmy Cliff, rather.

But that's the point: to each his own and just enjoy the sunrise or sunset, which ever floats your boat.

Now, finally about the sex stuff. It's kind of hard to take all this complainin' seriously after spending time in Jamaica. They are like rabbits here and one never knows what one will see when turning a corner or driving down the street. You sensitive ones: don't go to Jamaica. Dangerous. the beaches: well, I don't need more. Gaz, could you put up some of those great pictures you showed me the other day; those ones with all those Jamaican ladies walking around topless? Ooops, sorry Gaz, I forgot that was a secret.

Just forget that and this whole post if it offends you.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Dear Brother Bedme...oops, I mean Bednar,

Have the good people of Jamaica rubbed off on you? Are you like a bunny now, dear Bedme? An energizer bunny who keeps going and going and going?

In need of a good battery,

Kimberly Ann

PS - Sorry, all! It's Bedme posting! I just love him and can't resist!

[_barrelomonkeys]

You are conflating two different things, Book of Mormon. Any appropriate comments you (or anyone else) makes is fine.

Whew, well that's good cause I coulda sworn that a few posts ago you said comments MUST address the LDS Church specifically! Thank goodness that my posts can drift a bit.

Any sexualized comment when the thread is not about sexual issues, is not appropriate for this forum. Surely you know if your comment is on-subject or not. No one should have to tell you, and I'm certainly not complaining about your on-subject comments. I'm complaining about off-subject comments, especially off-subject sexual comments that derail the thread. If the shoe fits, then wear it. If it doesn't fit you, then don't take my comments personally.

Well I agree with you! I just often see this happening and think, again, that it should be split off. Surely there are some people that are repeat offenders. You and I both know that certain posters are NOT going to stop this behavior. I don't see the point in derailing threads pointing out the poor behavior (as inconceivable enjoys doing for pages upon pages) or making threads that rail on about the poor behavior.

If you want to fuss go for it. Wag your finger and go at em harmony but it's not going to do a bit of good.

We shouldn't have to control anyone. Everyone should control themselves! That's the point and beauty of this board: we can police ourselves. We don't need MAD mods. We have multiple forums to post on, all of which have different levels of tolerance for inappropriate posts. Yet we have several posters who persist in making inappropriate comments in the Terrestial forum, and I feel comfortable commenting on those type of comments.

Uh... DUH! I geddit. Everyone should control themselves... but they don't. I don't at times. So what to do? What to do? Perhaps PM a mod? Or we could just keep having threads talking about it or derail the threads in question even more by complaining?

You're the one who said you were the kitty and this was your board, not me. You owned the problem; I didn't drop it in your (or only your) lap.

Just so we're clear, so I can understand what you think is or is not innapropriate, you think that saying I'm a kitty and I poop is smutty or telestial forum material? Even after YOU were the one that brought up the metaphor? I really do NOT get that at all harmony. Seriously. I don't.

And yes, I felt the picture of the Native American woman was inappropriate as were the precipitating and subsequent comments, but not only for the reason you assume. I work with Native women on a daily basis, and that picture would have offended them, as would have the context.

Well it was inappropriate... and I put a disclaimer on it! ;P

I apologize! Profusely! I'm going to go clean the cat box right this very moment! Then lick myself afters to make sure I'm sparkly clean.

(Was that too much?!)

Which also is inappropriate, if as some posters have commented, they'd like to see more LDS posters here. I am not a staid TBM, and I am often offended by what is posted here. Normally, I just consider the source and step around it, but lately the litter box has been overflowing.

I would like to see more LDS posters here as well. I become quite agitated when some posters are run off this board by hateful rhetoric and spiteful insults. It bothers me immensely. But again, pouting about it doesn't do a thing!

To me, a problem unaddressed is a problem that won't be solved. Cringing and looking away give tacit agreement to the problem. Objecting allows everyone to see that which is inappropriate.

Please do explain how you address the problem harmony? In this thread? In the threads in question? Does that seem to be very effective for you?

:)

We shouldn't have to control others, Book of Mormon. That's why I'm calling for self-control, not Mod control. And since I'm not wringing my hands or fretting, instead I'm having a public discussion about an issue I think needs to be addressed, I'll continue my way, thanks. I have reported my objections to mods a grand total of once in my years of posting, and that was a personal attack on someone else that was completely unjustified. I don't deal that way. I prefer to be out in the open where everyone can follow. I much prefer the overt to the covert. Covert reminds 'way too much of the way things are done in the church, and any time I can get away from that, I will.

I don't have any desire to control others harmony. :)

This thread was not "humorous" nor were my comments intended to be "humorous". There was certainly no humor intended in my kitty litter comment. On the contrary, it was an illustration using a common household item. Humor has its place. When it's out of place, it's inappropriate.

Well see harmony sometimes in life I see things that I think are humorous and yet they weren't intended that way. That's just me! So terribly sorry if I take others comments or statements and find the humor in them. I'll put on my black frock, grim face, and tightly twist my hair in a bun for all future posts.

If, as you say, you avoid serious threads, you might want to bail on this one right now, because this, Book of Mormon, is a serious thread. Or at least, it started out that way.

Oh! I didn't notice. :)