Great video on the origins of christianity

[_moksha]

December 25th, Easter and Sunday were all assigned to the Christian faith as the Emperor Constantine sought to consolidate the holidays throughout the Empire, so work could more efficiently be performed. These three items were borrowed from the Roman followers of Mithra, the Sun God. Thus the Christian Sabbath was shifted to Sunday, which previous Christians had considered the Lord's Day anyway. Thus these two observances became concatenated. The Jews however kept their traditional Sabbath day.

[_Doctor Steuss]

I personally think the correlations of Christ being an avatar of Vishnu are stronger.

Vishnu, Zoroaster, Ra, Sol, the great earth mother....

... and of course, Krishna. by the way, I was serious about the Vishnu thing (I know it's hard to tell when I'm being serious or flippant).

Ko bhavaanithi tham praaha Sobhovaachamudaanwitha:
Eshaputhram cha maam idhi Kumaareegarbha samahavam Aham easa Maseeha nama Bhavishya

(King Saka asked ) " May I know who you are ?" That man replied happily "I am the son of God born to a virgin. My name is Easa maseeha"
(From Mahapurana Book 3, Chapter 34)

There are also a few hymns in the Rig Veda (one about being born in a cattle shed, and another that mentions being crowned with thorny vines).

Also,

Thamevam Vidwanamrutha iha bhavathy Nanya pandha ayanaya vidya

Those who meditate and attain this man, believe in heart and chant with their lips, get liberated in this world itself and there is no other way of salvation."
(From Rig Veda X:90:16)

[_Phaedrus Ut]

I can't remember exactly what the Dec 25 meaning is...but I seem to recall it was a special day in Zoroastrianism....

Dies Natalis Solis Invicti "the birthday of the unconquered sun" was a Roman holiday for the birthday of the sun Dec. 25th. Remember Sol Invictus the "Unconquered Sun God" was important to Christianity because of the emperor Constantine, the first "Christian" Roman Emperor. It seems that sometime after the Council of Nicaea in C.E. 325 the decision was made to celebrate Jesus' birth at the time of the Pagan winter festivals. Specifically the 25th. The first mention of December 25 as the date of Jesus' birth is found in an early Roman calendar from A.D. 336. Constantine died as was supposedly baptised on his death bed in 337.

by the way, Constantine also decreed that dies Solis, the day of the sun, to be the offical Roman day of rest now known as "Sunday" and obviously differing from the traditional Jewish Sabbath.


Phaedrus

[_Some Schmo]

There's much more to this movie than what was posted on Youtube. Zeitgeist's astrotheology section is nearly 40 minutes long.

The full movie can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5331&hl=en

Then for more corolaries, I would also suggest: http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/

The two speakers are boring, and they don't' really present themselves well, but they present a whole hell of a lot of information. Some of it's pretty far-out there, but a lot of it seems to fit pretty well.

Man, I thoroughly enjoyed that.

The stuff on 9/11... well, I've heard both sides of the story, and I seriously don't know what to believe. One thing I do believe is that the official report is total BS. I don't know what it was, but I'm pretty sure about what it wasn't.

[_keene]

There's much more to this movie than what was posted on Youtube. Zeitgeist's astrotheology section is nearly 40 minutes long.

The full movie can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5331&hl=en

Then for more corolaries, I would also suggest: http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/

The two speakers are boring, and they don't' really present themselves well, but they present a whole hell of a lot of information. Some of it's pretty far-out there, but a lot of it seems to fit pretty well.

Man, I thoroughly enjoyed that.

The stuff on 9/11... well, I've heard both sides of the story, and I seriously don't know what to believe. One thing I do believe is that the official report is total BS. I don't know what it was, but I'm pretty sure about what it wasn't.

I'm not really too concerned about the 9/11 stuff. It doesn't matter too much to me who did it. I'm more worried about what's happened because of it -- the patriot act and the war. Doesn't matter how it started, it still sucks /now/.

But what hits me hardest has always been the central bank and federal reserve. My parents raised me on this stuff, and it's nice to start actually seeing the knowledge get public.

When I was in high school, the federal reserve economy was greatly unknown. I took debate, and the topic for that year was Weapons of Mass Destruction (this was 2000, I believe, so it wasn't such a big issue as it is today), and my position the entire year was that the federal reserve and the central bank were the greatest weapons of mass destruction. The teacher would get up and correct me after each speech, saying that we were based on the gold standard. Nowadays, hardly anyone still believes that.

But what did you think of the rest of the information on Astrotheology? That stuff just hit me like a brick when I first learned about it. It just clicks with everything I've studied. I've only recently gotten into the history of psychoactive substances in religion as well, and frankly, it's blowing my mind. The sacrament makes a whole hell of a lot more sense if you imagine the "body" as a psychoactive mushroom.

[_mentalgymnast]

Check it out!

If you're really into this stuff, go read a book called, "The Hiram Key". Read the section dealing with early pre-history in England. Pagan stuff to the max. It does dovetail in some respects to Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Key

Good stuff.

What's your point? What do you think Christianity is? Why would types and shadows of Christ in earth's ancient history, and almost on every continent, negate/destroy his mission of mercy and atonement?

Regards,
MG

[_keene]

Check it out!

What's your point? What do you think Christianity is? Why would types and shadows of Christ in earth's ancient history, and almost on every continent, negate/destroy his mission of mercy and atonement?

Regards,
MG

The mercy and atonement doesn't need to be attributed to any one person or God. They're intrinsic events inside oneself, and by attributing it to a mythical being, you're merely separating yourself from it.

At least, for me, that's the point.

I think christianity is an attempt to attach the peace(/love/joy/happiness)-bringing process of the mind to pre-historic myths and stories. In the early days, that may have been helpful, but nowadays it's gotten to be believed too litterally, and the myths act more as a block to the process, instead of a help. By going back and seeing where the origins of the myths came from, it helps to separate what parts are the joy-process, and which parts are talking about something entirely different. With this separation, one can more easily focus on the peace-process, leaving behind the beliefs that limit or detract from a truer sense of love and joy.

[_mentalgymnast]

Check it out!

What's your point? What do you think Christianity is? Why would types and shadows of Christ in earth's ancient history, and almost on every continent, negate/destroy his mission of mercy and atonement?

Regards,
MG

The mercy and atonement doesn't need to be attributed to any one person or God. They're intrinsic events inside oneself, and by attributing it to a mythical being, you're merely separating yourself from it.

At least, for me, that's the point.

I think christianity is an attempt to attach the peace(/love/joy/happiness)-bringing process of the mind to pre-historic myths and stories. In the early days, that may have been helpful, but nowadays it's gotten to be believed too litterally, and the myths act more as a block to the process, instead of a help. By going back and seeing where the origins of the myths came from, it helps to separate what parts are the joy-process, and which parts are talking about something entirely different. With this separation, one can more easily focus on the peace-process, leaving behind the beliefs that limit or detract from a truer sense of love and joy.

Traditionally atonement has been applied to a belief in sin and reconciliation of man to God. This is partly intrinsic and partly extrinsic. God is part of the equation/formula. Otherwise we have a bunch of new age mumbo jumbo.

You don't know that God is a purely mythical being. From what we can see, it's a mix of myth/reality. What is the reality? That's where it get's fun, doesn't it?

Myth doesn't entail falsity. Cart before the horse and such.

Regards,
MG

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