LDS boss withholds raise b/c employee won't pay tithing ...

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Interesting talk at BYU-I a couple of weeks ago, by David R. Stone, a former member of the Seventy. The link to the full talk is below, but here is an interesting tidbit:

The people of the Lord are a covenant keeping people. We make covenants in the temple, and these should be inviolate. In the economy of God, the only truly poor, are those who fail to keep their covenants. Our failure to keep our covenants impoverishes us, in perhaps, the only way that really matters. But in addition to that, in our everyday affairs, we ought to be a people who keep their promises, and whose word is to be trusted.

Among the covenants we make when we are baptized, is the covenant of tithing. It is a solemn commitment that we make when we join the Church, and it is inherent in the covenants that we make in the temple. In our temple recommend interviews, we are asked whether or not we pay an honest tithe. It is generally true, that we are the sole judges as to whether we are paying an honest tithe, because our honesty is assumed.

Many years ago, I went to Peru with my family to be the general manager of a small company there. We only had 42 employees, but one of them was a member of the Church, a young salesman named Mario. I was serving in the stake presidency, and on one occasion I asked the bishop of our ward:

"Bishop, how is your family?" He said: "My family are all very well, except that my niece (who lived in our ward), is unhappy because her husband won't pay tithing."

Her husband was Mario, the young man who was our salesman. I determined at that point that I would keep checking with the bishop, and that if Mario ever started to pay his tithing, I would give him an 11 % salary increase (so that he would have the same amount of money after paying tithing, that he had had before). Naturally, I didn't communicate this to anyone.

Every so often, I would meet with the bishop, and I would ask him: "Is Mario paying his tithing?" ''No, President, he is not", the bishop would answer. The weeks went by, month after month after month went by, and the time finally came that I was transferred from Peru; and Mario never knew, that if he had paid his tithing, he would have received an 11 % increase in his salary.

http://www.byui.edu/Presentations/Trans ... _Stone.htm

[_Pokatator]

So Stone doesn't think that God is powerful enough to give blessings on His own,
he has to do it for God.

Interesting.

[_Some Schmo]

So Stone doesn't think that God is powerful enough to give blessings on His own,
he has to do it for God.

Of course not. That's why god needs the 10% in the first place. He's always been hard up for cash.

[_NorthboundZax]

Poor Mario. If he had only known, he could have had the same amount of money as he already did (less the tithing payments it took to get there).

[_Gadianton]

Interesting talk at BYU-I a couple of weeks ago, by David R. Stone, a former member of the Seventy. The link to the full talk is below, but here is an interesting tidbit:

The people of the Lord are a covenant keeping people. We make covenants in the temple, and these should be inviolate. In the economy of God, the only truly poor, are those who fail to keep their covenants. Our failure to keep our covenants impoverishes us, in perhaps, the only way that really matters. But in addition to that, in our everyday affairs, we ought to be a people who keep their promises, and whose word is to be trusted.

Among the covenants we make when we are baptized, is the covenant of tithing. It is a solemn commitment that we make when we join the Church, and it is inherent in the covenants that we make in the temple. In our temple recommend interviews, we are asked whether or not we pay an honest tithe. It is generally true, that we are the sole judges as to whether we are paying an honest tithe, because our honesty is assumed.

Many years ago, I went to Peru with my family to be the general manager of a small company there. We only had 42 employees, but one of them was a member of the Church, a young salesman named Mario. I was serving in the stake presidency, and on one occasion I asked the bishop of our ward:

"Bishop, how is your family?" He said: "My family are all very well, except that my niece (who lived in our ward), is unhappy because her husband won't pay tithing."

Her husband was Mario, the young man who was our salesman. I determined at that point that I would keep checking with the bishop, and that if Mario ever started to pay his tithing, I would give him an 11 % salary increase (so that he would have the same amount of money after paying tithing, that he had had before). Naturally, I didn't communicate this to anyone.

Every so often, I would meet with the bishop, and I would ask him: "Is Mario paying his tithing?" ''No, President, he is not", the bishop would answer. The weeks went by, month after month after month went by, and the time finally came that I was transferred from Peru; and Mario never knew, that if he had paid his tithing, he would have received an 11 % increase in his salary.

http://www.byui.edu/Presentations/Trans ... _Stone.htm

Rollo,

I'm not sure I understand. While Stone was a general manager in Peru, what was his capacity in the church?

[_Who Knows]

Rollo,

I'm not sure I understand. While Stone was a general manager in Peru, what was his capacity in the church?

He was in the stake presidency.

[_The Nehor]

On the bright side if there is no God it doesn't matte what he did.

[_moksha]

Mario should have just checked the automatic tithing deduction box on his W2 form.

[_Scottie]

I'm not sure it's fair to say he withheld the raise. That makes it sound as if a raise was due, but the owner denied it because of not paying tithing.

It would have a made for a nice Faith-Promoting Rumor though. "I started paying my tithing and the Lord truly opened the windows of heaven!! I got an 11% raise the same month!!"

[_Rollo Tomasi]

I'm not sure I understand. While Stone was a general manager in Peru, what was his capacity in the church?

It sounded to me as if, at the time, he was a SP keeping tabs on one of his workers through the worker's bishop. He later became a GA.

EDITED FOR CORRECTION: Stone was NOT an SP, but a counselor in the stake presidency.