Origins of the Book of Mormon

[_Jersey Girl]

Have you read "Manuscript Found?" It is funny. I have a ocpy. Bought it at Deseret Book several years ago. Like I said before, the only people who think Manuscript Found or View of the Hebrews was the prototype of the Book of Mormon haven't read one or the other.

Actually, you only read "Manuscript Story," not "Manuscript Found." Manuscript Story--the one you read--was merely the rough draft before Spalding went back and wrote the document from which the Book of Mormon would later be plagiarized.

The notion that they are the same document is simply a mopologetic fiction that has been foisted upon the public to throw them off the scent.

Darn! You totally scooped me!

[_charity]

Have you read "Manuscript Found?" It is funny. I have a ocpy. Bought it at Deseret Book several years ago. Like I said before, the only people who think Manuscript Found or View of the Hebrews was the prototype of the Book of Mormon haven't read one or the other.

Actually, you only read "Manuscript Story," not "Manuscript Found." Manuscript Story--the one you read--was merely the rough draft before Spalding went back and wrote the document from which the Book of Mormon would later be plagiarized.

The notion that they are the same document is simply a mopologetic fiction that has been foisted upon the public to throw them off the scent.

Sorry Shades, no one ever talked about a second manuscript until the first one was found and was such a laughable thing it could not possibly have been it. So then, the story of a second manuscript was made up. Experts on writing know that the idea that the "Manuscript Story" could have been fixed up to produce the Book of Mormon is ludicrous. Even those completely opposed to Joseph Smith, the Church and the Book of Mormon find that argument a desperation attempt.

[_Jersey Girl]

Have you read "Manuscript Found?" It is funny. I have a ocpy. Bought it at Deseret Book several years ago. Like I said before, the only people who think Manuscript Found or View of the Hebrews was the prototype of the Book of Mormon haven't read one or the other.

Actually, you only read "Manuscript Story," not "Manuscript Found." Manuscript Story--the one you read--was merely the rough draft before Spalding went back and wrote the document from which the Book of Mormon would later be plagiarized.

The notion that they are the same document is simply a mopologetic fiction that has been foisted upon the public to throw them off the scent.

Sorry Shades, no one ever talked about a second manuscript until the first one was found and was such a laughable thing it could not possibly have been it. So then, the story of a second manuscript was made up. Experts on writing know that the idea that the "Manuscript Story" could have been fixed up to produce the Book of Mormon is ludicrous. Even those completely opposed to Joseph Smith, the Church and the Book of Mormon find that argument a desperation attempt.

I think you misunderstand, charity. Or maybe not. I agree that the idea that MS could have been used to produce the Book of Mormon is ludicrous.

Could you supply dates (even general dates) for when you think people started talking about the second manuscript after the first one was found?

In the copy that you have, how does the story end?

[_karl61]

view of the hebrews, the Bible and automatic writing could easily produce the Book of Mormon. Since a lot of the Book of Mormon is from the Bible, the story is from view of the hebrews and subconscious mind kicks in in automatic writing. We won't even bring up the Book of Abraham, and the kinderhood plates - for where someone goofed.

[_charity]

I appreciate all the questions. I have another assignment pressing right now. If I have insomnia and am awake at 2 a.m. again, I will try to get them. Look ofr posts in the early a.m.

Thanks for your patience.

[_The Nehor]

Heres the thing. There never were any witnesses to the gold plates unless you count hallucinations induced by drunkenness after fasting.

I take your point, Mercury, but I prefer to give the witnesses the benefit of the doubt, because it doesn't matter in the end. They had no way of telling what the plates were even if there were plates. So what, then, does their witness mean other than that some object having the appearance of gold plates was put before them...at best?

How can you give them the benefit fo the doubt whe most, by their actions , discounted their original forced "testimony" to begin with?

Only if you're under the delusion that because something is proved to someone they will follow through on that information despite all evidence in human history pointing to the opposite.

[_Jason Bourne]

So here goes:

Was the Book of Mormon a consequence of Joe stringing everyone along for years? imagine you are joe. You swear up and down the white indian teleporting into your room every so often wants you to have this weighty gold brick with a record on it. You get married, people think your a scam artist and then you start realizing that if you don't produce the book the gullible saps will even lose faith in you. So you swear the towel covering the brick is said gold plates and stick your head in a hat, relying on the saps to transcribe your colorful rantings.

Was the Book of Mormon just an end to a continual tall tale that helped joe learn how to spin even bigger tales?

At the risk of offending every TBM in sight...the Book of Mormon was the defining moment in which a game became a religion.

I am not so much offended. Rather I wonder if you examine your own religion and book with the same critical attitude. And actually, what utter nonesense you state. What was the game pray do tell.

[_Jersey Girl]

So here goes:

Was the Book of Mormon a consequence of Joe stringing everyone along for years? imagine you are joe. You swear up and down the white indian teleporting into your room every so often wants you to have this weighty gold brick with a record on it. You get married, people think your a scam artist and then you start realizing that if you don't produce the book the gullible saps will even lose faith in you. So you swear the towel covering the brick is said gold plates and stick your head in a hat, relying on the saps to transcribe your colorful rantings.

Was the Book of Mormon just an end to a continual tall tale that helped joe learn how to spin even bigger tales?

At the risk of offending every TBM in sight...the Book of Mormon was the defining moment in which a game became a religion.

I am not so much offended. Rather I wonder if you examine your own religion and book with the same critical attitude. And actually, what utter nonesense you state. What was the game pray do tell.

Yes, of course I do, Jason, and have done so for years. When people challenge me regarding my religion, I don't answer by saying "Yeah, but what about those Mormons?" Feel free to create a thread about that any time and question me if you like. This thread is about the Book of Mormon. What game? Fooling people.

[_Jason Bourne]

Yes, of course I do, Jason, and have done so for years.

Do you now. Can you tell me how you feel about inerrancy and who actually wrote the Bible?

When people challenge me regarding my religion, I don't answer by saying "Yeah, but what about those Mormons?"

I just want to make sure critics of the LDS Church that claim to be religious have used the same critical methods to examine their own faith. I am convinced that most who would do so thoroughly will conclude that the conservative view of Christianity is just not tenable. I have little patience for double standards.

Feel free to create a thread about that any time and question me if you like.

Perhaps I will starting with the questions above. Perhaps I won't. Time is precious.

This thread is about the Book of Mormon.

Big deal. It is a free speech board. If you do not like what I posted ignore it.

What game? Fooling people.

I think I know what you are getting at. Can you be more specific?

[_Jersey Girl]

Jason,

Your comments serve only to derail the thread, the topic of which is origins of the Book of Mormon. I will not reply to your comments regarding the Bible, my religious views or anything of that nature on this thread. It is an evasive maneuver and nothing more. As I stated previously, if you would like to question me start a new topic thread and I'll be glad to reply to your inquiry there. I'm more than certain that you will find my answers very straightforward in that regard.

I'm not going to cooperate with attempts to derail this thread.

Jersey Girl