Some Schmo wrote:Hmmm... well, what seems more likely? That there was a dude who was born of a virgin mother, performed miracles, died and self rezzed, etc etc or that it was all a myth based on multiple other myths when we know that cultures have been worshipping the sun forever?
Give me a break. It's not like that one clip is the only reference for this information, Nehor.
To you, I have no idea what would seem more likely....I'm afraid to know.
I talked it over with God and we came to the conclusion that while the latter conclusion would be more likely he explained that he was there and the former actually happened. Sorry, when choosing between a theorist and an honest eyewitness I'll take the latter.
Does god approve of your lying about talking to him?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Some Schmo wrote: Does god approve of your lying about talking to him?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
LOL
Oh yes, your random accusation is exactly like my obvious observation.
If Mormons don't like the stereotype of stupidity, they should stop saying things that make it valid.
No, it wasn't a random accusation. It was a demonstration of how unfair your question is and I'm damned no matter how I answer it.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Some Schmo wrote: Does god approve of your lying about talking to him?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
LOL
Oh yes, your random accusation is exactly like my obvious observation.
If Mormons don't like the stereotype of stupidity, they should stop saying things that make it valid.
No, it wasn't a random accusation. It was a demonstration of how unfair your question is and I'm damned no matter how I answer it.
Not true. You're only damned if you keep lying about it. Just quit BSing about your god conversations. The truth will set you free.
You should know all this. Haven't you been paying attention in church?
"However, it was nevertheless a fact that I had beheld a a vision. I have thought since, that I felt much like Paul, when he made his defense before King Agrippa, and related the account of the vision he had when he saw a light, and heard a voice; but still there were but few who believed him; some said he was dishonest, others said he was mad; and he was ridiculed and reviled. But all this did not destroy the reality of his vision. He had seen a vision, he knew he had, and all the persecution under heaven could not make it otherwise; and though they should persecute him unto death, yet he knew, and would know to his latest breath, that he had both seen a light and heard a voice speaking unto him, and all the world could not make him think or believe otherwise."
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote: "However, it was nevertheless a fact that I had beheld a a vision. I have thought since, that I felt much like Paul, when he made his defense before King Agrippa, and related the account of the vision he had when he saw a light, and heard a voice; but still there were but few who believed him; some said he was dishonest, others said he was mad; and he was ridiculed and reviled. But all this did not destroy the reality of his vision. He had seen a vision, he knew he had, and all the persecution under heaven could not make it otherwise; and though they should persecute him unto death, yet he knew, and would know to his latest breath, that he had both seen a light and heard a voice speaking unto him, and all the world could not make him think or believe otherwise."
Well, if this applies to you, I would suggest you see a neurologist.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
The Nehor wrote: "However, it was nevertheless a fact that I had beheld a a vision. I have thought since, that I felt much like Paul, when he made his defense before King Agrippa, and related the account of the vision he had when he saw a light, and heard a voice; but still there were but few who believed him; some said he was dishonest, others said he was mad; and he was ridiculed and reviled. But all this did not destroy the reality of his vision. He had seen a vision, he knew he had, and all the persecution under heaven could not make it otherwise; and though they should persecute him unto death, yet he knew, and would know to his latest breath, that he had both seen a light and heard a voice speaking unto him, and all the world could not make him think or believe otherwise."
Well, if this applies to you, I would suggest you see a neurologist.
Nah.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote: "However, it was nevertheless a fact that I had beheld a a vision. I have thought since, that I felt much like Paul, when he made his defense before King Agrippa, and related the account of the vision he had when he saw a light, and heard a voice; but still there were but few who believed him; some said he was dishonest, others said he was mad; and he was ridiculed and reviled. But all this did not destroy the reality of his vision. He had seen a vision, he knew he had, and all the persecution under heaven could not make it otherwise; and though they should persecute him unto death, yet he knew, and would know to his latest breath, that he had both seen a light and heard a voice speaking unto him, and all the world could not make him think or believe otherwise."
Well, if this applies to you, I would suggest you see a neurologist.
Nah.
Yeah, understanding you have a neurological problem isn't anywhere near as fun as believing you talk to god. I suppose I sort of understand.
Here's hoping that infection in your brain doesn't abscess!
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
keene wrote: Which is why I started The Church Of The Giant F*****g Invisible Intangible Spider In My Backyard.
Oh yeah, I meant to comment on this.
It sounds great. It looks like you've got most of the needed elements, but the one thing I didn't see is the appeal for cash. Without that, you've got nothing.
I've been telling people for years that I belong to my own religion called the New Found Light (or NFL for short). I've written scripture for it which often makes football analogies. The only problem with using that as my own religion is that it hangs off of something that is already someone else's commercial success.
So I'm still pursuing the idea of a Breastbyterian Church for the purpose of breast worship. It fits nicely with an appreciation for god's creation, already has a huge market, has a built-in support mechanism, and I have no doubt the pamphlets would be extremely popular. I mean, if I can convince people that looking at breasts is a religious experience, I'll be a billionaire in no time.
And of course, masturbation will be one of the commandments.
Ah, but see, the moneygrubbing has to be subtle. It has to play on people's emotions and desires, but it can't be outrightly commercial. After all, the first protestants were formed simply because the Catholic church accepted bribes for services.
We'll have our charitable donations, which goes directly to the study of psychedelics and cognitive function, then we have our weekly tithe, which pays for the sacrament, and once every's going really hard on the sacrament, we raise the golden spider-web collection plate, and every time someone puts something in, it spins, flashes lots of lights, and the walls will tell you how awesome you are before melting away and turning into the giant wall monster of sri lanka and eating your body and oh my god how did you get out of your body and why is it being eaten oh the spider has surely blessed me tonight!
Oh and it has been fun watching the defenders hear reveal their own fear through their responses on this thread.
I have revealed no fear. Believing does not result in fear. It fosters hope.
This thread doesn't and won't solve any age old questions. Each person chooses, based on the evidence at hand, whether to believe or not believe in Christ as the Son of God. You and others here have made a choice based upon the evidence available to you. As have I. We each go our own way.
To believe in God is to believe that the universe exists to house sentient beings. To not believe in God is to believe that sentient beings are on their own in a cold universe. I choose the former...you choose the latter.