guy sajer wrote:Yeah, . . . sure Nehor. Just keep telling yourself that.
I don't think I'm a prophet. I don't claim to speak for God or to see the future. I'm making a wild guess, though at least I have the honestly to admit that's what I'm doing rather than cloaking my guesses as some kind of prophetic utterance.
Oh swell, Christ will burn the Church when he comes. It's nice to know that you too believe that fiery death and suffering are just fruits of disobedience. Nice to know that the Mormon rank and file have this in common with the Jihadists, although the the former prefer others to do the dirty work for them.
I do, however, think I, along with millions of other people, have far more insight into the human condition than the wizened old geezer who claims to be the prophet.
I don't tell myself that. I know it. Even the critics say it. How many of their stories begin with, "And in 20/30/40 years of being in the Church NO ONE TOLD ME THAT." Talk about an unhealthy reliance on others. When the Church members genuinely start REALLY studying the scriptures and applying them amazing things will happen. It also happens on an individual level which is why I believe in the principle.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
guy sajer wrote:I'm told that when I pass gas, it smells somehow sweeter than normal flatulence.
O great one, we beseech thee not to reveal the secrets of our sacred rituals!
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
Runtu wrote:I even shook his hand, and there was just something about his countenance ....
I always suspected that you had greater access to his holy presence. Now I know!
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
cksalmon wrote:This is one of the biggest problems I have with Mormonism. While claiming to be led by a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, there has been no prophesying, Seer-ing, or Revelating for, well, who knows how many years? Hinckley's latest talk was a feel-good rehearsal of the rise of the LDS Church and about how marvelous and incredible it now is.
I see no evidence that any LDS leadership of today is miraculously gifted as any sort of prophet, or seer, or revealer of things to come.
CKS
I believe Hinckley said a few years ago that we really don't need any new revelation, as we got pretty much what we needed from Joseph Smith. Granted, I'm remembering this from a while back, but that seems to be a common attitude.
This is the kind of reasoning that led to that abominable closed canon in orthodox Christianity.
guy sajer wrote:Yeah, . . . sure Nehor. Just keep telling yourself that.
I don't think I'm a prophet. I don't claim to speak for God or to see the future. I'm making a wild guess, though at least I have the honestly to admit that's what I'm doing rather than cloaking my guesses as some kind of prophetic utterance.
Oh swell, Christ will burn the Church when he comes. It's nice to know that you too believe that fiery death and suffering are just fruits of disobedience. Nice to know that the Mormon rank and file have this in common with the Jihadists, although the the former prefer others to do the dirty work for them.
I do, however, think I, along with millions of other people, have far more insight into the human condition than the wizened old geezer who claims to be the prophet.
I don't tell myself that. I know it. Even the critics say it. How many of their stories begin with, "And in 20/30/40 years of being in the Church NO ONE TOLD ME THAT." Talk about an unhealthy reliance on others. When the Church members genuinely start REALLY studying the scriptures and applying them amazing things will happen. It also happens on an individual level which is why I believe in the principle.
Umm, Nehor, I'm not aware that the PofGP, as an example, states that it's source is no more than a ordinary pagan funeral text. Rather it claims quite the opposite.
As a source of truth and knowledge about these sorts of things, and life in general, the scriptures are sorely lacking.
Talk about an unhealthy reliance on tribal superstition and historical fiction!
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
The Nehor wrote:I don't tell myself that. I know it. Even the critics say it. How many of their stories begin with, "And in 20/30/40 years of being in the Church NO ONE TOLD ME THAT." Talk about an unhealthy reliance on others. When the Church members genuinely start REALLY studying the scriptures and applying them amazing things will happen. It also happens on an individual level which is why I believe in the principle.
Not be thin-skinned, but isn't it a bit presumptuous to assert that we critics never studied the scriptures or applied them? I like you, but this is one dumb-ass statement.
The Nehor wrote:I don't tell myself that. I know it. Even the critics say it. How many of their stories begin with, "And in 20/30/40 years of being in the Church NO ONE TOLD ME THAT." Talk about an unhealthy reliance on others. When the Church members genuinely start REALLY studying the scriptures and applying them amazing things will happen. It also happens on an individual level which is why I believe in the principle.
Not be thin-skinned, but isn't it a bit presumptuous to assert that we critics never studied the scriptures or applied them? I like you, but this is one dumb-ass statement.
I misspoke. I realize now I limited what I said to the Scriptures. That was unintentional. I'm saying that people should themselves dig into the history of the Church and all things related to the Gospel. Some critics did, found something that turned them away, and left. I wonder sometimes if those critics please God more than the intentionally ignorant.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:From the 1978 April Conference Report on the Sustaining of Church Officers:
During the last conference we had one dissenting vote, and there was some misunderstanding about it. Someone said that I treated him very curtly. I would just like to explain just what takes place if anyone or a number of people have a dissenting vote. We give them the opportunity to go to one of the General Authorities to explain to that General Authority why they feel the person is not qualified, and if he’s found not qualified, then we take the necessary action.
Nice. So in the last 30 years, there's been one dissenting vote? Doesn't sound as much like a vote as it does a ritual, if you ask me.
I imagine that "the necessary action" = "excommunication."
Saddam Hussein use to have elections and he use to get 100 percent of the vote.
guy sajer wrote:Umm, Nehor, I'm not aware that the PofGP, as an example, states that it's source is no more than a ordinary pagan funeral text. Rather it claims quite the opposite.
As a source of truth and knowledge about these sorts of things, and life in general, the scriptures are sorely lacking.
Talk about an unhealthy reliance on tribal superstition and historical fiction!
I still say Better the Scriptures than your Primary Teacher....especially when you're now past your teens. Much better than your Gospel Doctrine teacher either.....after all....I've held that calling....scary thought.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo