thestyleguy wrote:Saddam Hussein use to have elections and he use to get 100 percent of the vote.
I recall when my parents were pulled aside at stake conference for not sustaining a change in the stake boundaries that would have entailed us driving over 100 miles to future stake conferences. They were each asked whether they were in apostasy. Nice.
Evidently some bozo had prophesied that the stake would split, and they were doing everything, including the stupid and unnecessary, to make the prophesy come true.
Maybe the fact that they liked to tell this story influenced my high regard for the LDS priesthood.
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Trevor wrote:I recall when my parents were pulled aside at stake conference for not sustaining a change in the stake boundaries that would have entailed us driving over 100 miles to future stake conferences. They were each asked whether they were in apostasy. Nice.
Evidently some bozo had prophesied that the stake would split, and they were doing everything, including the stupid and unnecessary, to make the prophesy come true.
Maybe the fact that they liked to tell this story influenced my high regard for the LDS priesthood.
I was thinking the same thing: people who dissent from the sustaining vote are nearly always seen as cranks and malcontents, not honest people with real concerns.
Trevor wrote:I recall when my parents were pulled aside at stake conference for not sustaining a change in the stake boundaries that would have entailed us driving over 100 miles to future stake conferences. They were each asked whether they were in apostasy. Nice.
Evidently some bozo had prophesied that the stake would split, and they were doing everything, including the stupid and unnecessary, to make the prophesy come true.
Maybe the fact that they liked to tell this story influenced my high regard for the LDS priesthood.
I was thinking the same thing: people who dissent from the sustaining vote are nearly always seen as cranks and malcontents, not honest people with real concerns.
My experience has been different. I've never dissented but I had a friend dissent once due to him knowing of some concerns about that person's conduct. After the meeting the Bishop took him aside and he shared his concerns. The Bishop also knew of these concerns and after a discussion the Bishop decided to press forward with the calling anyway in the hope that it would help to resolve the issues and asked my friend if he could honestly support him in that. He agreed and life went on.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Trevor wrote:I recall when my parents were pulled aside at stake conference for not sustaining a change in the stake boundaries that would have entailed us driving over 100 miles to future stake conferences. They were each asked whether they were in apostasy. Nice.
Evidently some bozo had prophesied that the stake would split, and they were doing everything, including the stupid and unnecessary, to make the prophesy come true.
Maybe the fact that they liked to tell this story influenced my high regard for the LDS priesthood.
I was thinking the same thing: people who dissent from the sustaining vote are nearly always seen as cranks and malcontents, not honest people with real concerns.
My experience has been different. I've never dissented but I had a friend dissent once due to him knowing of some concerns about that person's conduct. After the meeting the Bishop took him aside and he shared his concerns. The Bishop also knew of these concerns and after a discussion the Bishop decided to press forward with the calling anyway in the hope that it would help to resolve the issues and asked my friend if he could honestly support him in that. He agreed and life went on.
I find it amazing yet unsurprising that you have no problem with that incident. The authority figures changed your friends opinion even though this guy knew of the fault. Gestapo tactics and singling out the dissenter is what I read from your description. I suppose you do too but as usual your programming kicks in and you can not find fault. Kinda pathetic really.
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The Nehor wrote:My experience has been different. I've never dissented but I had a friend dissent once due to him knowing of some concerns about that person's conduct. After the meeting the Bishop took him aside and he shared his concerns. The Bishop also knew of these concerns and after a discussion the Bishop decided to press forward with the calling anyway in the hope that it would help to resolve the issues and asked my friend if he could honestly support him in that. He agreed and life went on.
Since we're on anecdotal evidence, I've seen dissenting votes 3 times in my life: one was the 1977 incident you mentioned, and the other two were in my home stake. Both times our stake president seemed to me more than a little angry at the dissenter, and talk around the ward afterward was that both of the dissenters were cranks and bitter.
Trevor wrote:I recall when my parents were pulled aside at stake conference for not sustaining a change in the stake boundaries that would have entailed us driving over 100 miles to future stake conferences. They were each asked whether they were in apostasy. Nice.
Evidently some bozo had prophesied that the stake would split, and they were doing everything, including the stupid and unnecessary, to make the prophesy come true.
Maybe the fact that they liked to tell this story influenced my high regard for the LDS priesthood.
I was thinking the same thing: people who dissent from the sustaining vote are nearly always seen as cranks and malcontents, not honest people with real concerns.
My experience has been different. I've never dissented but I had a friend dissent once due to him knowing of some concerns about that person's conduct. After the meeting the Bishop took him aside and he shared his concerns. The Bishop also knew of these concerns and after a discussion the Bishop decided to press forward with the calling anyway in the hope that it would help to resolve the issues and asked my friend if he could honestly support him in that. He agreed and life went on.
I find it amazing yet unsurprising that you have no problem with that incident. The authority figures changed your friends opinion even though this guy knew of the fault. Gestapo tactics and singling out the dissenter is what I read from your description. I suppose you do too but as usual your programming kicks in and you can not find fault. Kinda pathetic really.
Uhhh...no. I've known this Bishop for years and been in many meetings with him. He doesn't have a clue how to use Gestapo tactics. He singled out the dissenter by asking about what his concerns where? What would you recommend? Turn Sacrament Meeting into an open forum to discuss the sins of the person in question? The idea that you see Gestapo tactics in a private interview where things were openly discussed is 'kinda pathetic really'.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:My experience has been different. I've never dissented but I had a friend dissent once due to him knowing of some concerns about that person's conduct. After the meeting the Bishop took him aside and he shared his concerns. The Bishop also knew of these concerns and after a discussion the Bishop decided to press forward with the calling anyway in the hope that it would help to resolve the issues and asked my friend if he could honestly support him in that. He agreed and life went on.
Since we're on anecdotal evidence, I've seen dissenting votes 3 times in my life: one was the 1977 incident you mentioned, and the other two were in my home stake. Both times our stake president seemed to me more than a little angry at the dissenter, and talk around the ward afterward was that both of the dissenters were cranks and bitter.
Were they?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I ask because I know someone who really wanted a calling and did not get it. He objected out of jealousy. I kinda wish I knew how that interview went.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
thestyleguy wrote:Saddam Hussein use to have elections and he use to get 100 percent of the vote.
I recall when my parents were pulled aside at stake conference for not sustaining a change in the stake boundaries that would have entailed us driving over 100 miles to future stake conferences. They were each asked whether they were in apostasy. Nice.
Evidently some bozo had prophesied that the stake would split, and they were doing everything, including the stupid and unnecessary, to make the prophesy come true.
Maybe the fact that they liked to tell this story influenced my high regard for the LDS priesthood.
LOL. This story tickles my funny bone for some reason. It's funny in a "it's funny 'cuz it's true" sorta way. Standing outside the box and watching Mormonism work is truly entertaining, well actually it's boring, but occasionally you get comedy gold like this. This story has everything you want in a good Mormon story - The Bozo with the prophecy, the leaders doing everything they can to make the prophecy come true, the inconvenienced members refusing to sustain stupidity, the leaders accusing the questioning members of apostacy. Good stuff. Fortunately, the church is still perfect, it's the members that aren't. ;)
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