General Authorities as Seers

[_Trevor]

Fortunately, the church is still perfect, it's the members that aren't. ;)

Indeed, every chapel I have seen, yea, every temple, was pleasingly constructed. Now if they could just get rid of all of those imperfect leaders and members. Maybe a giant computer network should replace them all.

[_guy sajer]

Umm, Nehor, I'm not aware that the PofGP, as an example, states that it's source is no more than a ordinary pagan funeral text. Rather it claims quite the opposite.

As a source of truth and knowledge about these sorts of things, and life in general, the scriptures are sorely lacking.

Talk about an unhealthy reliance on tribal superstition and historical fiction!

I still say Better the Scriptures than your Primary Teacher....especially when you're now past your teens. Much better than your Gospel Doctrine teacher either.....after all....I've held that calling....scary thought.

It depends on the primary teacher. Odds are that the primary teacher, being a reasonably rationale and moral person, has as much or more insight into the human condition and modernity that acient tribal fables ever have or could. At the very least, odds are that the primary teacher doesn't advocate wholesale slaughter Old Testament innocents as just fruits for disobedience. Nor would he think it a good idea for calling on wild beasts to kill children for making fun of your bald palette. Nor would she curse you and your descedents for making fun of her for being drunk and naked. And on it goes.

[_MishMagnet]

Does anyone know what happened that Conference where a bunch of women stood up and said "We support the ERA!" I remember watching that as a child. Did they also stick around to oppose? Anyone?

[_The Nehor]

It depends on the primary teacher. Odds are that the primary teacher, being a reasonably rationale and moral person, has as much or more insight into the human condition and modernity that acient tribal fables ever have or could. At the very least, odds are that the primary teacher doesn't advocate wholesale slaughter Old Testament innocents as just fruits for disobedience. Nor would he think it a good idea for calling on wild beasts to kill children for making fun of your bald palette. Nor would she curse you and your descedents for making fun of her for being drunk and naked. And on it goes.

My Primary teachers sacrificed children to Belial so I don't think this applies to me.

[_Belial]

Babys!!!!!! Nummers.....

[_Roger Morrison]

Charity, i wonder how long you will be able to endure here. Are you made of the same stuff as Bro Nehor? Ya better be, Sis.

As for the question: Other than it being a matter of opinion and conditioning expressed, does it really matter to the Universe? IMSCO, not in the least. Now IF Mod-day-Mo-profits could stop the sun, spread the seas, cause rivers of blood, bring down plagues... OR, better yet, cure plagues, stop wars and bring peace to nations... Like "WOW" baby!!! Maybe ya/we just gotta pay more money to see the big tricks, eh? Hey, not that them seers ain't nice old gentlemen, but really?? Warm regards, Roger

[_harmony]

Maybe ya/we just gotta pay more money to see the big tricks, eh? Hey, not that them seers ain't nice old gentlemen, but really?? Warm regards, Roger

$5 billion a year isn't enough?

[_Jason Bourne]

Does the current LDS church believe all the Twelve (or Fifteen) are Prophet, Seers and Revelators. Is there some reason the book of Joseph has not be translated? How many hours during this last year do you think President Hinckley or Elder Holland have had a stone in a hat and their face in the hat. I was reading an article about the Book of Mormon and the author suggests that people like Nephi, Mosiah, Alma jr, Mormon and Moroni were all seers. It was like being passed down to the next person. After reading this article I think I might read the Book of Mormon in the same way that I would read the Lord of the Rings and instead of the ring - it's a stone or some item that lets them see into the future. It seems that Joseph Smith had a special place in his heart and mind for Seers.

LDS sustain the FP and 12 as prophets, seers and revelators.

[_Roger Morrison]

Maybe ya/we just gotta pay more money to see the big tricks, eh? Hey, not that them seers ain't nice old gentlemen, but really?? Warm regards, Roger

$5 billion a year isn't enough?

Doesn't seem ta be? Maybe they's holding out for da REALLY biggies, eh? LOL :-) ROTFL 0))))))

[_Jason Bourne]

Just a couple of weeks passed the membership of the Church sustained all 15, (12 apostles + 3 in the First Presidency) as prophets, seers, and revelators.

A seer is someone who prophecies future events. Nothing in the definition says anything about translating ancient documents by the power of God, however that power is manifest.

So the questions about bringing forth new scripture by way of translation is incorrect.

Mosiah 8:13-18

13 Now Ammon said unto him: I can assuredly tell thee, O king, of a man that can translate the records; for he has wherewith that he can look, and translate all records that are of ancient date; and it is a gift from God. And the things are called interpreters, and no man can look in them except he be commanded, lest he should look for that he ought not and he should perish. And whosoever is commanded to look in them, the same is called seer.
14 And behold, the king of the people who are in the land of Zarahemla is the man that is commanded to do these things, and who has this high gift from God.
15 And the king said that a seer is greater than a prophet.
16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.
17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known.
18 Thus God has provided a means that man, through faith, might work mighty miracles; therefore he becometh a great benefit to his fellow beings.

Mosiah 28:11-15

11 Therefore he took the records which were engraven on the plates of brass, and also the plates of Nephi, and all the things which he had kept and preserved according to the commandments of God, after having translated and caused to be written the records which were on the plates of gold which had been found by the people of Limhi, which were delivered to him by the hand of Limhi;
12 And this he did because of the great anxiety of his people; for they were desirous beyond measure to know concerning those people awho had been destroyed.
13 And now he translated them by the means of those two stones which were fastened into the two rims of a bow.
14 Now these things were prepared from the beginning, and were handed down from generation to generation, for the purpose of interpreting languages;
15 And they have been kept and preserved by the hand of the Lord, that he should discover to every creature who should possess the land the iniquities and abominations of his people;
16 And whosoever has these things is called seer, after the manner of old times.

It seems the Book of Mormon strongly implies a seer has interpretor stones and does interpret.[/quote]