silentkid wrote:WK: I agree that the whole Plan of Salvation doesn't make logical sense, especially for those who believe in a benevolent creator. The old rationale that I remember being taught was that we will all be happy in our respective kingdoms. As a believing member, I always thought it would be better to live in the Terrestrial or the Telestial (after all, that's where all the rock 'n roll shows will be) than the boring Celestial (where the MoTab will sing incessantly). After all, isn't the celestialized earth just going to be a big glass marble. Lame.
I don't know. We know pretty much diddly squat (what happened to revelation?) about what the various kingdoms will be like. Other than C = good, T = bad.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Who Knows wrote:Assuming there is a god, why would he set us up to fail? Why would he make it next to impossible to figure out which of his churches are the ONE true church? The term 'many or called but few are chosen' comes to mind. Why is that?
As a father of 3, I want all my kids to succeed. Yes, I can't directly control their lives - I have to let them make choices, learn from mistakes, fall down and get back up, etc. But I can help guide them down the path that's best for them. I can be there for them. I can lay the groundwork that best sets them up to succeed. (and I must note here that I will treat each child differently based on their needs - 1 path that's right for one child, might be wrong for another).
Why can a person pray all their lives, but not get an answer, while another gets an answer immediately? Why do 2 different people get different answers? How can one person get different answers at different times throughout their life?
It all just seems so difficult - like we're set up to fail. Why is that? Or how do believers explain this? Why are only a 'few' going to the C-kingdom?
THis may be the Protestant part of me speaking here, but I believe it is planned that we would fail, so we would understand the importance of relying on Jesus' Atonement and the need to call out to God to save us....for we can't do it ourselves.
Good question. Assuming there is a LDS God out there, an omniscent one who knows before he creates us which ones are going to fail and which ones aren't....why does he seem to care more about stacking the losing team? It makes no sense whatsoever. If we go by the plan of salvation, God wanted all of us to love him, learn of him, and return to him. Yet he has let only the minutest number of humans to know of this plan. We can only assume he didn't want the vast majority of humans to love him, learn of him and return to him.
And then there's the sticky eternal aspect. We live forever. So let's say that 5% of all human make it to the CK and the rest of us chopped liver hang around all disgruntled in lower kingdoms. Something's got to give a few billion years down the road, eh? We can't live in limbo for all eternity. So when Trinity gets further ticked off living next to a wino and a prostitute in the telestial kingdom after two bazillion years, Trinity's going to amass a giant army who is going to storm the celestial gates and chase out the stinky smelly arrogant celestialites. Trinity will not be alone. After all, 95% of God's children have been left out of the millionaire mansion land.
Trinity wrote:Good question. Assuming there is a LDS God out there, an omniscent one who knows before he creates us which ones are going to fail and which ones aren't....why does he seem to care more about stacking the losing team? It makes no sense whatsoever. If we go by the plan of salvation, God wanted all of us to love him, learn of him, and return to him. Yet he has let only the minutest number of humans to know of this plan. We can only assume he didn't want the vast majority of humans to love him, learn of him and return to him.
And then there's the sticky eternal aspect. We live forever. So let's say that 5% of all human make it to the CK and the rest of us chopped liver hang around all disgruntled in lower kingdoms. Something's got to give a few billion years down the road, eh? We can't live in limbo for all eternity. So when Trinity gets further ticked off living next to a wino and a prostitute in the telestial kingdom after two bazillion years, Trinity's going to amass a giant army who is going to storm the celestial gates and chase out the stinky smelly arrogant celestialites. Trinity will not be alone. After all, 95% of God's children have been left out of the millionaire mansion land.
I hear that Heaven has many rooms....but you have to be very quiet in the hallway when you pass the room with the Mormons (because they think they're the only ones there).
moksha wrote:Would you assign a meaning of success or failure to the thoughts and behaviors of you children or would you love them anyway and refrain from being judgmental?
If you did the later, would that not be considered a mark of good parenting skills as well as a generative outlook on life?
Sorry moksha, I'm not really following you. Can you clarify please?
Sorry if I failed to mention that I was responding to you inital question, "Assuming there is a God, why would He set us up to fail?" I was phrasing my thoughts in view of putting myself in the position of setting my children up to fail, and the ensuing thoughts I might have for myself or the reader, about doing just that. Does it make sense now?