Cinepro in Trouble?

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Post by _harmony »

LifeOnaPlate wrote:cinepro has moments where I really enjoy him, and others when I don't. That being said, sock puppetism is not allowed on MAD and is the reason for the suspension, if the mods are to be believed, which I realize is not a strong argument here. ;)


Almost all posters on MAD (or anywhere else) wear sockpuppets. Anyone who isn't using their real name wears a sock puppet. Just because some posters have more than one sock puppet doesn't mean they have some nefarious motive. Heck, sometimes we just feel like a Pickle!
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Post by _Alter Idem »

LifeOnaPlate wrote:
mms wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:cinepro has moments where I really enjoy him, and others when I don't. That being said, sock puppetism is not allowed on MAD and is the reason for the suspension, if the mods are to be believed, which I realize is not a strong argument here. ;)


Why would he have needed a sockpuppet if he had not already been suspended?


My understanding is he created the sock puppet, posted a thread, and was then suspended.


I thought that too, when I first read this post. But when I looked at the MADB board, I found that was not the case. Cinepro was given "a break" for his comment on FLDS. A break is a suspension. When he couldn't post, Cinepro created a sockpuppet to post. The comment got him the suspension. They deleted the sockpuppet and told him to stay off the board till his suspension was up.
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Post by _beastie »

Regardless of his intent, he should not have used Mormon and flds in the same post.


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Post by _Alter Idem »

why me wrote:Regardless of his intent, he should not have used Mormon and flds in the same post. The mods took it as inflammatory. And even if he didn't mean it to be, he should have known better.


So now, is FLDS going to be a taboo subject? Honestly, aren't we being a bit touchy if we can't discuss the FLDS group without getting offended?

It only hurts the board when we have to declare certain topics out of bounds.
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Post by _Polygamy Porter »

Runtu wrote:He's consistently been one of my favorite posters there. I wish he'd come over here.
He wont. He enjoys the fight.

Over here he would be surrounded by supporters, from both sides.
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Post by _cinepro »

Howdy all. Just to clarify the sequence of events, I had posted my FLDS analogy and a few other posts in the afternoon, then got suspended for the FLDS comment. When I tried to access the page later that evening, I was denied saying my account was locked out.

The "sockpuppet" was actually an "L. Ron Hubbard" account I created last year as a joke in a scientology-related thread over there, so I logged in as L. Ron to see what happened. When I saw it was my analogy that did it, I couldn't believe it. I assumed there must have been some misunderstanding, so I thought I'd post to try and explain it (knowing full well the "consequences" for poor L. Ron). The L. Ron Hubbard account didn't have anything to do with the original suspension.

Frankly, I can't believe it was that comment that got me suspended. I can think of at least 10 other posts where I was sure it was my last post. I wasn't equating anybody with anything. I was just trying to point out why some groups might be sensitive to having other groups classified under the same moniker, since LDS seem to be surprised that mainstream Christians take offense to having Mormons called "Christians", not to mention indignant when mainstream Christians try to control the definition of the word "Christian". From a branding perspective, it makes perfect sense. It was an analogy, and I wasn't claiming that FLDS want to be called Mormons. The analogy works if you can just imagine how LDS would feel if FLDS did want to be called "Mormon" (and published books like "Are FLDS Mormon?" arguing for a broader, historically based definition of "Mormon" that isn't limited by the narrow LDS definition).

For the record, I absolutely believe LDS are Christians, but I think LDS need to acknowledge why Christians want to be protective of their "brand" (or at least acknowledge they might have a point). Compare that with the attitude shown here on the Church website:

LDS Church Will Tell You When And How You Can Use The Term "Mormon", Journalist Be-yatches

I'm still not sure which rule I broke, or how my comments are snarkier or sarcastic-ier than Pahoran or DCP's (awesomely entertaining) retorts. But such things are obviously not put up for discussion or public appeal, so I'll never know. I like to flatter myself and pretend that my sarcastic remarks are the modern day critical equivalent of Jesus' parables. They appear to be simple barbs on first read, but upon further reflection, there may be a layer of commentary hidden only for those who think about it. I am loathe to spell it out after the fact, because it's like a joke. If you have to explain it...

As to why I participate on MADB and not more critical boards, a lot of it is just habit. I only hang out at boards with thread topics that are really interesting, and I only post to threads where I feel I have something informational, insightful, or humorous to share. This being my first visit to this board, I've obviously found one thread that would count as "really interesting" (hey! My name's in a thread title!), and here I am sharing a little information.

I also post to the "invisible reader" at MADB, thinking of those people who lurk and might have questions, and then read one of my posts and maybe see things a little differently (or just realize that it's OK to question the claims of the apologetic ramblers and still go to Church), just as so many other posters have helped me see things differently over the past few years. I assume boards with a higher concentration of critics attract fewer of these questioning lurkers, so I would just be preaching to the choir (granted, critics are an great choir), but I would feel less effective if I were just posting to entertain people who already agree with me.
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hi Cinepro...

Well, I for one am glad you got suspended if it brought you here! ;-)

I think this board is getting more interesting all the time.. the more great thinkers and fun personalities the better!

You are both!

Welcome!

:-)

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Post by _The Dude »

cinepro wrote:Howdy all. Just to clarify the sequence of events, I had posted my FLDS analogy and a few other posts in the afternoon, then got suspended for the FLDS comment.


When something like this happens to a poster like you (I've been there too) it comes down to one maverick moderator loosing his/her cool. They want you to think you are being punished for lashing out, but really, they are the ones lashing out.

Your comment was perfectly valid. Not a cheap-shot at all, but something defensive LDS should take a moment to think about.

I like to flatter myself and pretend that my sarcastic remarks are the modern day critical equivalent of Jesus' parables. They appear to be simple barbs on first read, but upon further reflection, there may be a layer of commentary hidden only for those who think about it.


You are the best, Cinepro. The best! I've always wanted to tell you that, man.
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Post by _Gadianton »

I assumed there must have been some misunderstanding


There was. The FAIR/MAD mods don't understand anything.
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Post by _why me »

Alter Idem wrote:
why me wrote:Regardless of his intent, he should not have used Mormon and flds in the same post. The mods took it as inflammatory. And even if he didn't mean it to be, he should have known better.


So now, is FLDS going to be a taboo subject? Honestly, aren't we being a bit touchy if we can't discuss the FLDS group without getting offended?

It only hurts the board when we have to declare certain topics out of bounds.


No, but I think that his or her post was misunderstood. Perhaps the wording was not clear. It could seem on a quick reading that the poster was making an equation between the two. And that would be a no-no.
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