Polygamy Porter wrote:If the Smith considered the Catholic church to be the great whore of the earth, Mormonism is the fat pudgy pimple faced 30-something old maid that nobody even gives a second look.
not just the the Catholic church but every church not LDS is the church of the devil - the great whore. We need to do something about that - first polygamy, then discrimination and now the whore thingy.
Interestingly Joseph Smith was quite happy to allow religious tolerance for others and other faiths. He made many statements along this line.
Over the past three years I have noticed that a majority of LDS defenders are pill popping, unemployed, and typically unwed. I know you are unemployed, but are still married, however, my gut tells me you are on the Sandy candy. What is your favorite?
And what were you smoking when you made this inaccurate asinine conclusion. I see PP, you are still a damn idiot.
As for free speech, my speech is freeing! I have almost 30 people whose defection from the LDS church is linked to me. Additionally I speak freely at least three times each week to unwitting non members about the ugly truth of the Mormon cult. Thanks to Mitt the opportunity comes up more and more.
If this is true, which I doubt given its source, they must have an IQ lower then yours,which is very low.
But you can give us no examples of well informed people joining the Church as adults.
Gotta disagree with you Mr. Graham if you are saying none such exist. I know plenty of people who joined the Church as adults who were quite well informed and even baptized a few as a missionary. They had been through anti LDS literature, met with the minister of the Church they were leaving and still joined. Maybe they are not a whole lot of these but they are there.
I get it. Well informed people don't join the Church because if they join the Church that proves they are not well informed.
Circular reasoning, Kevin. Shame on you. You know better.
I do know better. I also know what circular reasoning is, which you apparently don’t.
Obviously you don’t get it.
I never said joining the Church “proves” anything. You’re just a straw man machine aren’t you?
I said people are generally misinformed when joining the Church and this is established fact. The Church is not interested in teaching its investigators critical aspects that would otherwise dissuade them. This is considered dishonest in any other context. It is like selling your car to a gullible person in need without telling them you have never changed the oil and it could blow at any minute. It is like selling your house to someone in need while neglecting to tell them that it is situated in an area prone to landslides. This kind of information would otherwise dissuade people from making misinformed decisions, so the information is withheld. The LDS membership rationalizes this dishonesty by saying they are only acting in the best interests of the investigator
Of course some Mormons are intelligent. In fact, Mormons are among the most educated people around. But intelligent humans are still emotional creatures just the same. The Church tries to funnel people into the Church via an institutionalized system of disinformation. It knowingly withholds any and all critical information that might dissuade the investigator otherwise – assuring them they would get bad feelings if they read anything critical and assuring them it is the devil trying to dissuade them- and pumps them up with good emotions to compensate for their ignorance. Even intelligent people can "feel" like an uninformed decision is still a good one. After all, it just feels right doesn’t it?
Idiots follow their emotions all the time and so do intelligent people. Mormons let their emotions control them instead of the other way around (Want to see grown men cry in public? Check out your local/monthly fast and testimony meeting). Mormons, in my opinion, are generally emotionally ignorant, and the Church remains in the dark ages considering what we know today about how and why human behavior is what it is. They explain it all as a spirit experience. If it feels good it is God and if it feels bad it is the opposition which should be avoided at all costs.
charity wrote: Are you fighting against Christ? If yes, then I guess that means you are.
Considering that you and I probably have very different ideas of who Christ was/is, I don't think this question is valid. I guess that is the big question. I don't have any twinges of conscience on the matter. If you do, you should listen to the still small voice.
The prophet is obviously referring to something that goes beyond buildings to meet in. You know that and are just trying to twist the words to make the meaning obscure.
Again, please show me where I have said anything about buildings. What I meant (and I thought it was pretty clear) was to ask you whether or not you think that it is not necessary to be LDS in the current day and age to be a member of the church of Christ. Plain and simple. Please answer. You can't change the definitions in mid discussion. The Church of Christ and the Church of the Lamb are not the same thing. There is an earthly church organization, and there is the heavenly one. I don't think it is necessary to be LDS to be heading toward the heavenly organization. Although, before anyone gets there, they will have to conform their lives in complete obedience to the Father. Which means all the ordinances of the Gospel.
I think there probably are. There are some people who are apostate and operating under the radar. Wolves in sheep's clothing
So once you've realized the church is not true, you should just leave immediately? I actually agree and that's what I did; I'm not going anymore. But I'm sure a lot of LDS would disagree with you on this. Yes. If they have completely denied their spiritual witnesses they have received. If they stay and partake of the sacrament they are in deep trouble. That is different from having doubts. If a person has doubts, the place to resolve them is at Church. But the doubting person will not be trying to take people down with him. The ones who want to do that are the devil's minions, who want others to be as miserable as they are. What about a testimony being born in the bearing of it? Can't it get reborn by faking it when someone apostacizes? Or is there only a one-time pass for faking?
but anything which leads people away from God is a detriment to individual progess. Since God has commanded men (and women) not to practice homosexuality, anything which encourages or permits homosexuality is of the church of the devil. Any effort to help save people from that is not hateful, it is trying to help.
cacheman asked you a very good question about churches that accept gay people. Also, what about free agency? Isn't it what this life is all about? Forcing people to live your way is not going to save them according to your own theology. I've been waiting for the First Presidency to realize that obvious contradiction for quite some time, but I guess it's not happening.
I didn't' see what cacheman said as a question about accepting. We should accept all people, no matter who or what they are. We do not have to accept behaviors which are opposed to the laws and commandments of God. And your problem with waiting for something from the First Presidency is you don't understand the difference between being and doing. A person who has homosexual attractions does not have to act them out. Just as a married man may feel attracted to someone not his wife. He needs to deal with those feelings, but he will still be a member in good standing if he just keeps his feelings to himself, and doesn't proposition the person he is attracted to. When you understand this difference you will see why holding your breath for a change in Church doctrine to accept homosexual BEHAVIOR is not a good idea.
Oh, yes, I would think that anyone who paid dues to any pro-homosexual organization, has their names on the membership list, supports their activities, yep.
I would be very interested to know what constitutes a pro-homosexual organization, in your opinion.
Here are just a few. The International Lesbian and Gay Association The Human Rights Campaign The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation Outrage The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Comission Egale Canada The Lavender Network book publishers which publish books like "Heather Has Two Mommies" The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) The National Education Association, which has a homosexual caucus This doesn't come close to being exhaustive.
charity wrote:
Haven't we all got the light of Christ, charity?
We all did at one time. Some have covered it over with so many layers of sinful mud it doesn't shine any more.
Care to provide a source for this statement? Titus 1:15-16 "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience [light of Christ]is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
The identification of the light of Christ as being synomomous with the conscience is found in Mormon Doctrine p. 157.
charity wrote:1 Ne. 14: 10-12 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
What is your objection to this?
First before I opine let me ask you...which Church is the Church of the Lamb of God?
You have to stop thinking of the Church of the Lamb of God as a physical organization. It is in the hearts of men.
charity wrote:1 Ne. 14: 10-12 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
What is your objection to this?
First before I opine let me ask you...which Church is the Church of the Lamb of God?
You have to stop thinking of the Church of the Lamb of God as a physical organization. It is in the hearts of men.
And only men. Don't forget that.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
charity wrote:1 Ne. 14: 10-12 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
What is your objection to this?
First before I opine let me ask you...which Church is the Church of the Lamb of God?
You have to stop thinking of the Church of the Lamb of God as a physical organization. It is in the hearts of men.
charity wrote:1 Ne. 14: 10-12 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
What is your objection to this?
First before I opine let me ask you...which Church is the Church of the Lamb of God?
You have to stop thinking of the Church of the Lamb of God as a physical organization. It is in the hearts of men.