Missionaries at German University campuses

[_mormonmistress]

Herbal tea is O.K. because there is no caffeine. Is your head spinning yet? I thought so. There really is no rhyme and reason to it all. Just no coffee and no tea. Don't think beyond that.!

I would make a terrible Mormon. I like to think and question! It seems to me the whole caffeine/tea issue is treated somewhat differently by various Mormons. From what I've gathered so far, some say it's not about caffeine, so coke is OK and others think it is, so coke is not. I looked around the web to see what others were saying and read an opinion that said you should ask your local clergy (sorry, I can't remember the term they used and there seem to be so many different ranks held by Mormon 'clergy' that I just can't remember which it was) for advice on what is applicable to your area. Surely, if this whole thing were true, God wouldn't have made it so open to interpretation. If these 'clergy' are actually channeling God's word then how come there are so many discrepancies? The more I learn about this Mormon parlarva, the more I wonder how anyone with any kind of clue could actually believe such nonsense. I don't mean to disrespect TBM's but I just don't get it.

I think that if the Word of WIsdom was really concerned about the whole health aspect, then surely drinking Coke, even decaffeinated would be way worse for you than drinking green tea. It's either full of sugar or full of chemicals. Ah well, it's breakfast time here, so I'm going to go make myself a nice HOT cup of green tea to eat with my toast. :)

[_Roger Morrison]

Hi Mormonmistress, might that better be: 'M...mistrust'? ;-) LOL! You wrote:

I think that if the Word of WIsdom was really concerned about the whole health aspect, then surely drinking Coke, even decaffeinated would be way worse for you than drinking green tea. It's either full of sugar or full of chemicals. Ah well, it's breakfast time here, so I'm going to go make myself a nice HOT cup of green tea to eat with my toast. :) (Bold added by RM)

As to the bolded: IF they really took the WoW seriously, obesity wouldn't be as prevelant as it is in Mormonism. Since oral gratification, as practiced in the broad society, is, generally speaking, frowned upon in LDSism, only eating remains to satisfy that natural urge. So, food is front and centre at most LDS gatherings, and in households, in quite excessive amounts. But hey, we all have our weaknesses. Right!?

Actually IF/WHEN an individual, LDS or not, abides by the whole of the WoW they are indeed blessed as promised. Once again attesting to "God" is no respector of persons, or sects, IMSCO. Warm regards, Roger

[_Gazelam]

The card given out is no different than the ones they hand out here, there are twelve different ones, many missionaries try to collect all twelve, some are harder to get than others.

All of them dirrect a person to the church website: http://www.Mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/

If they don't want people to call them Mormons, why would they use Mormon in the website address? Any ideas, Gaz? Aren't they assisting in making it difficult to wean people off the Mormon moniker?

Anyone?

No one cares about the nickname really. Its not like its offensive or anything. Im sure the point to the name of the website is to pick anyone cruising the internet looking up information on Mormons, since that's the name everyone knows us by. The official website to the church is LDS.org.

[_harmony]

The card given out is no different than the ones they hand out here, there are twelve different ones, many missionaries try to collect all twelve, some are harder to get than others.

All of them dirrect a person to the church website: http://www.Mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/

If they don't want people to call them Mormons, why would they use Mormon in the website address? Any ideas, Gaz? Aren't they assisting in making it difficult to wean people off the Mormon moniker?

Anyone?

No one cares about the nickname really. Its not like its offensive or anything. I'm sure the point to the name of the website is to pick anyone cruising the internet looking up information on Mormons, since that's the name everyone knows us by. The official website to the church is LDS.org.

I think it's interesting that the official website of the church is not ldschurch.org. Let's not mention that we're a church, the church even. Perhaps because we're more of a business than anything else.

[_Gazelam]

From LDS.org:

In the Word of Wisdom, the Lord revealed that the following substances are harmful:


Alcoholic drinks (see D&C 89:5–7).


Tobacco (see D&C 89:8).


Tea and coffee (see D&C 89:9; latter-day prophets have taught that the term "hot drinks," as written in this verse, refers to tea and coffee).

When people purposefully take anything harmful into their bodies, they are not living in harmony with the Word of Wisdom. Illegal drugs can especially destroy those who use them. The abuse of prescription drugs is also destructive spiritually and physically.

The Lord also declared in the Word of Wisdom that the following foods are good:


Vegetables and fruits, which should be used "with prudence and thanksgiving" (see D&C 89:10–11).


The flesh "of beasts and of the fowls of the air," which is "to be used sparingly" (see D&C 89:12–13).


Grains such as wheat, rice, and oats, which are "the staff of life" (see D&C 89:14–17).

To those who keep the Word of Wisdom, the Lord promised:

"All saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;

"And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;

"And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.

"And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them" (D&C 89:18–21).

The best course is to completely avoid the substances that the Lord prohibits in the Word of Wisdom. Those who have engage in addictive behaviors can stop and become free from addiction. Through personal effort, strength from the Lord, help from family members and friends, and guidance from Church leaders, anyone can overcome addiction.

See also Obedience; Temptation

—See True to the Faith (2004), 186–88

As Roger has mentioned, keeping your body healthy by not overeating is also a part of the word of wisdom, that is obviously ignored by a large portion of the church. The Word of Wisdom, like any other part of the gospel, is interpreted in diferent ways, but the simple to follow and easily spelled out foundation of it is listed above.

A good question to ask in all this is, was there anything wrong with pork in the Old Testament days? Lots of people ate it, otherwise why would the herd have been there when Christ cast legion into the herd? The fact was that there was nothign wrong with eating pork, it was a test of faith, a small principle with a promise. A simple way for a person to say, "If I can be faithful in this small thing, I can be faithful in the larger commandments."

[_gramps]

Gaz wrote:

No one cares about the nickname really.

Baloney! And you should know this. The headquarters specifically asks the press to use the full name of the church when writing about the church.

Weren't you aware of this?

[_gramps]

Gaz quoted from the D and C:

The flesh "of beasts and of the fowls of the air," which is "to be used sparingly" (see D&C 89:12–13).

Gaz, how often do you eat meat?

[_Gazelam]

Gaz wrote:

No one cares about the nickname really.

Baloney! And you should know this. The headquarters specifically asks the press to use the full name of the church when writing about the church.

Weren't you aware of this?

Yes, they ask the press not to use the nickname when speaking about the church. Does that seem odd to you?

[_Gazelam]

Gaz quoted from the D and C:

The flesh "of beasts and of the fowls of the air," which is "to be used sparingly" (see D&C 89:12–13).

Gaz, how often do you eat meat?

13: And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

I keep my house at 73 degrees, so its always like winter here.

[_gramps]

Gaz wrote:

No one cares about the nickname really.

Baloney! And you should know this. The headquarters specifically asks the press to use the full name of the church when writing about the church.

Weren't you aware of this?

Yes, they ask the press not to use the nickname when speaking about the church. Does that seem odd to you?

No, it doesn't. But it does seem odd to want it both ways. But that is typical for the church, no?