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_Jason Bourne
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Re: I don't trust him.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:People are elected for all sorts of reasons. Bill Clinton did not have a mandate on his first go round. Ross Perot can be thanked for putting him there.


Actually, it's the opposite. Ross Perot can be thanked for George Bush not suffering an even more humiliating loss.


I highly doubt it. Perot took 19% of the vote, many that were republicans angry over Bush's cave on taxes. Others were more moderate and yet more likely would have voted for a republican. Your analysis is faulty and flippant.
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Jason Bourne wrote:Kucinech is a left wing wacko idiot whose ideas are so far left that he could be chummy with Fidel.


Of course, accusing someone of being a commie always helps. How funny, considering that most people in the US have no idea what communism is and are convinced that it's actually existed on Earth in its true form. It has not. Most people are unable to differentiate between socialism and communism.

Be careful who you are talking to. I know a thing or two about communism. I was born in the Soviet Union, after all. I've read Marx and Engels. Have you?

I'm so sick of Americans yapping about the evils of communism and flinging around this word as if it's an insult. Communism would be the best arrangement for everyone if our own human nature, greed and scarce resources weren't getting in the way.

And Kucinich is not a communist, for the record. I think it is truly sad that so few people support him and instead choose to support the pro-violence, pro-killing bigot Romney.

One wonders how he was ever elected a mayor let alone a congressmen. One would think the trouncing he had in his previous run would have encouaraged him to stay home and not further embarrass himself.


Who really should be embarrased is the US citizens who won't vote for him. He would be the best thing to happen to this country in a long time, but it is much more content calling him a wacko idiot and continuing a stupid unjust war. And possibly starting another one.

And Romney is a flip-flopping jackass, nothing more.


No he is not. He has modified some positions like all politicians do at times. Study your history on this. Some of the greatest presidents ever have modifies views. Why is a politician locked into one position forever. Ronald Reagan was a democrat that became a republican and a conservative one at that.


I'm not saying that he's not allowed to modify his positions. It seems, however, that his positions change depending on what he thinks will make him more likely to get elected. I fail to see the reason why he changed his stance on abortion, for instance, if not to appease the fundie right-wingers who he thought would be his primary target voters.

Of course, knowing what covenants he has made in the temple doesn't help much, either.


And this is religious bigotry and knee jerk.


No it isn't. Am I required to be politically correct or honest? Gotta choose one or the other in this case. If someone claims to be a devout lifetime member of some church that I know has views opposite to mine, and the church's views coinside with those of the candidate's choice, isn't it natural to assume that's where the candidate's views are rooted?

I know that the Church has been dishonest, unscrupulous and, dare I say, immoral in its political involvement in the past. Who knows if they won't try to influence an LDS president's decision pulling this unmentionable temple covenant I was referring to? Even bcspace here realizes that they probably would be offering "advice and insight" to Romney were he to be elected.

If he had never made such a covenant, I wouldn't bring up his membership in the Church, thus sparing myself from your accusations, I suppose.
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Re: I don't trust him.

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:Actually, it's the opposite. Ross Perot can be thanked for George Bush not suffering an even more humiliating loss.


I highly doubt it. Perot took 19% of the vote, many that were republicans angry over Bush's cave on taxes.


Thank you for proving my point.

Others were more moderate and yet more likely would have voted for a republican.


You have no way of knowing that. For all we know, "more moderate" voters would've voted for Clinton.

Your analysis is faulty and flippant.


Prove it.
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Re: I don't trust him.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:Actually, it's the opposite. Ross Perot can be thanked for George Bush not suffering an even more humiliating loss.


I highly doubt it. Perot took 19% of the vote, many that were republicans angry over Bush's cave on taxes.


Thank you for proving my point.

Others were more moderate and yet more likely would have voted for a republican.


You have no way of knowing that. For all we know, "more moderate" voters would've voted for Clinton.

Your analysis is faulty and flippant.


Prove it.


Ah may favorite Shady Doc, I could ask you to prove your point as well. It is not worth the time. But really, Ross Perot was to Bush, to a much larger extent, what Nader was to Gore and Kerry. The type of voter that voted for Perot normally would have voted for Bush. It is just clear as a bell. Perot was more of a republican or conservative. Bill Clinton never would have one. He got 43% and that is it. Most of the 19% would have gone to Bush, I have not doubt. Disagree if you want but I think you really know I am right on this one
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Gadianton wrote:
No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other.
- Matthew 6:24


And this applies here exactly how?
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Gadianton wrote:
No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other.
- Matthew 6:24


And this applies here exactly how?


Serving the Church vs. serving the country, I suppose.
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Zoidberg wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Gadianton wrote:
No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other.
- Matthew 6:24


And this applies here exactly how?


Serving the Church vs. serving the country, I suppose.


But the passage does not propose that dichotomy.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Gadianton wrote:
No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other.
- Matthew 6:24


And this applies here exactly how?


Serving the Church vs. serving the country, I suppose.


But the passage does not propose that dichotomy.


Oh yeah, it's God vs. Mammon. But what about Church employment or receiving a "modest allowance" from them? What about those guys in the UK that supposedly made 100K according to the financial reports? Who were they serving? Or is the dichotomy false?

Let's say he's first LDS and then a president. He may think he is serving the country because the Church says to serve the country. But the Church's idea and the country's idea about what's best for the country may significantly differ.

I don't know how the reverse situation would work out. The country (at least in principle) is not supposed to care about whether or not Romney is serving the Church, so in the latter case there need not be a dichotomy. In the former, on the other hand...
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For what it's worth, I see this as a non-issue. Romney is far more likely to quake before the Religious Right than he is before Gordo or his geriatric successor who at best could carry the state of Utah for him--a state that would vote for any imebecilic, mediocratite, incompetent, Daddy's boy with a Messiah complex as long as he's Republican.

Oh wait, Utah already did that, didn't we?
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