Missionaries at German University campuses

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bcspace wrote:
I think they smile more than they used to.


That is hard to imagine, really.

My girls are very smart though and can indeed find Germany on the map. My ancestry (after WWII) is Norwegian.


Well, I didn't doubt it. Old Lutheran stock, huh?
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I think they smile more than they used to.

That is hard to imagine, really.


Well, you could still get the impression someone commanded them to.....But they brought some pretty funny skits along with them. I don't think they lacked for humor.

My girls are very smart though and can indeed find Germany on the map. My ancestry (after WWII) is Norwegian.

Well, I didn't doubt it. Old Lutheran stock, huh?


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bcspace wrote:
I think they smile more than they used to.

That is hard to imagine, really.


Well, you could still get the impression someone commanded them to.....But they brought some pretty funny skits along with them. I don't think they lacked for humor.

My girls are very smart though and can indeed find Germany on the map. My ancestry (after WWII) is Norwegian.

Well, I didn't doubt it. Old Lutheran stock, huh?


Vikings through and through.


Well, they do have some humor, thank god.

When I think of the Vikings, I always think of Kirk Douglas dancing on the oars of the ship in the harbor when they returned after a successful ravage.
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bcspace wrote:


Explaining the science of why the grass is green (or why the sky is blue for that matter) does not answer the question of who (or what) got the ball rolling in the first place. But I do agree that such questions are not directed at physics students (I have such a degree myself, a minor to my engineering one).


bcspace, for whom were these questions directed to, if not partly to the physics students on campus? I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here?

I met with an elderly missionary couple, my father's cousin and his wife actually, last year over lunch here in Dresden. He is based out of Hamburg, but Dresden is included in his area. He was responsible for developing a program to try and attract college students because, according to him, the church wasn't having too much success with families, either through referrals or door to door. Perhaps he had a lot to do with this strategy, or not, I don't really know. We haven't really talked since.

What do you think of this strategy? Going after young college students away from home for the first time: good idea for the church? Do you think the church will have similar problems with retention using this kind of program?

And again, I hope you can answer the first question in this post, as well. I'm interested in what you actually think about this marketing scheme, if you could call it that?
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Explaining the science of why the grass is green (or why the sky is blue for that matter) does not answer the question of who (or what) got the ball rolling in the first place. But I do agree that such questions are not directed at physics students (I have such a degree myself, a minor to my engineering one).

bcspace, for whom were these questions directed to, if not partly to the physics students on campus?


I can't say for sure as I've not seen such pamphlets as you describe. However, the Church typically adresses the generic truthseeker in these things.

I met with an elderly missionary couple, my father's cousin and his wife actually, last year over lunch here in Dresden. He is based out of Hamburg, but Dresden is included in his area. He was responsible for developing a program to try and attract college students because, according to him, the church wasn't having too much success with families, either through referrals or door to door. Perhaps he had a lot to do with this strategy, or not, I don't really know. We haven't really talked since.

What do you think of this strategy? Going after young college students away from home for the first time: good idea for the church? Do you think the church will have similar problems with retention using this kind of program?


I don't know for sure. Given what I hear about Europe in general, the general population is pretty jaded on religion in general which is not suprising given their history. However, given the huge influx of immigrants, especially Muslims, I think Europe is being set for a future religious revival due to the conflicts that will occur. The US is on that same path but not so far down the road as Europe is.

And again, I hope you can answer the first question in this post, as well. I'm interested in what you actually think about this marketing scheme, if you could call it that?


Whatever works. Given my experience as a missionary, I think the Church gives general guidelines/helps and allows the missionaries to decide how best to use them. I think those who follow those guidelines to the letter have not yet learned this and that is fine as it's best to stick to the guidelines until you know what you are doing.

So how does one approach the confident intellectual? One doesn't directly imho. One simply searches for those who are humble and that can include the confident intellectual if something in his or her life has recently humbled them. Until that time, it's just 'planting seeds' so when a time comes that such a one begins to search, the LDS Church is a possible direction.

I am planting seeds right now by pointing out that one does not have to give up science to become LDS or any other type of Christian.
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Please excuse my intrusion ;-) BC Space wrote:

So how does one approach the confident intellectual? One doesn't directly imho. One simply searches for those who are humble and that can include the confident intellectual if something in his or her life has recently humbled them. Until that time, it's just 'planting seeds' so when a time comes that such a one begins to search, the LDS Church is a possible direction.

I am planting seeds right now by pointing out that one does not have to give up science to become LDS or any other type of Christian.



Your first question & statement seems to suggest a confident intellectual is not open to discussion and/or considering new information or ideas unless they are under some physical, mental, or emotional challenge?? Not sure how you come to that conclusion? I think truly confident folks, intellectual or not-so are usually, generally speaking, eager to exchange ideas. At least i have found that to be the case. They might not be as easily convinced to buy/embrace new untestable ideas et al as some unconfident, uneducated person looking for away out of their agony or misfortune; that seems quite probable.

I think the great healer had that in mind when he said, "....the whole need not a physician..."

I think the use of "humble" seems not fitting the situation in question: Trasmitting information and the means of doing so. If i understood the campus episode correctly??

You are correct, "...one doesn't have to give up science to be LDS..." However, there are traditional ancient religious myths that might make it difficult for some, if such myths are to be taken litterally. Easier for some than for others...

When one comes to understand it's all fiction, they can sit back to enjoy the program and extract the "seeds" that appeal to them. Then i think the construct is serving a useful purpose. Who can, or why should we, expect more? Warm regards, Roger
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Your first question & statement seems to suggest a confident intellectual is not open to discussion and/or considering new information or ideas unless they are under some physical, mental, or emotional challenge??


I suggest no such thing except in the area of religion where such a person, if not already religious, tends to discount such discussion as irrelevant in my experience.

I think truly confident folks, intellectual or not-so are usually, generally speaking, eager to exchange ideas. At least I have found that to be the case.


I tend to agree and should have further qualified the type of person I meant.

They might not be as easily convinced to buy/embrace new untestable ideas et al as some unconfident, uneducated person looking for away out of their agony or misfortune; that seems quite probable.


Ah! Untestable. That would be a bone of contention I suppose. Fortunately, the gospel provides such a test (John 7:17 etc.).

You are correct, "...one doesn't have to give up science to be LDS..." However, there are traditional ancient religious myths that might make it difficult for some, if such myths are to be taken litterally. Easier for some than for others...


Historicity seems more important to me in this case than literal vs. metaphorical. For example, we can debate all we want about whether there was a local Flood or a worldwide Flood or perhaps something else, but there must have been something in history to generate that account.
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I agree that a flood had to have happened if the story isn't to be damning evidence of the purely mythological status of the religion.

However, to me it's also important that the flood have been worldwide, because that's how it has always, down to this very day, been taught by the reputed Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. I don't buy into the notion that they could all have just been spouting off their own fallible human opinions without this seriously undermining their credibility. They claim to be teaching us inspired, revealed truth. When they get it this wrong, for this long, that's a serious blow to the credibility of their prophetic claims.
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BC Space, you wrote:

Historicity seems more important to me in this case than literal vs. metaphorical. For example, we can debate all we want about whether there was a local Flood or a worldwide Flood or perhaps something else, but there must have been something in history to generate that account.




So much for the flood. What about some of the other questionable tales? i.e. The Fall; blood of one redeeming billions; Job; Jonah; parting of the Reed Sea; stopping the sun; walking on water; commanding the sea;>>>>>>

How literal should any of those and numerous other myths be taken? And, does it really matter when one focuses on "The Two New Commandments"? They after all do not bear on the past. They are simply teachings of Jesus to be applied in the present, that seem, to this point, not to have been taken very seriously by Christian sect leaders.

As an X-Missionary, how much time was given to that teaching of Jesus of Nazareth? One could wonder why his teaching didn't get equal time with Joseph of Palmyra? I'm just being a bit facetious in that last comment. Let it pass. There is no right answer ;-) Like the "Flood"... Warm regards, Roger
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