Ray A.....total nut.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Holy Crap. Ray A. needs to take a break from debating critics. For his own mental health I hope he takes a break. It's becoming clear that he can't handle it.

I can't handle anyone who thinks "Satan was 'set up'". Obviously your little kinky joke of a name.

What's wrong with my name? I was originally going to use "Jesus was a Douchebag" but decided that was childish, and it turns out I was right (see "Douche" thread).

[_Infymus]

F*** you Ray and the horse you rode in on. You have no idea what courage it took to stand up and say I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HORSE S*** ANYMORE. What courage it took to chart a new course in my life. To reach out to others who had been mis-led and lied to by a cult started by a man who couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

So F*** you Ray, go back to the cult and shut the f*** up.

[_Gadianton]

This is the same guy who .... ok, I better not say. But, I rest easy knowing the "anti" things Ray has said against the church are a thousand fold worse than anything I've ever said. What a hyporcrite.

And what a f****** hypocrite you are!! You left MADB, MDB, and God knows how many other boards "never to come back". Just wanted to sing some final farewells? So how come you came back? I thought we ALL bid you a final farewell? What happened, GADFLY? Snuck back in? Don't you talk about hypocrisy, A-hole.

Oh yeah, i admit it. i did what i swore i never would do, exit dramatically and then came back. I stayed a way nearly a year, but, that surely isn't never so, what can I say?

Now, it doesn't technically make me a hypocrite because I said I'd never come back and then I did. It makes me a hypocrite because I used to get frustrated with and condemn other posters for doing it. I have since try extra hard to be easier on the DCPs of the world who leave it all behind for good and pick it back up a couple months later.

I will talk about hypocrisy if I want to. I think you should be easier on the moderately inflamed rhetoric of anti-Mormons given that when you were an anti-Mormon, you said far worse than any antis I'm acquainted with.

[_Mister Scratch]

While Ray's "flip-flopping" has been well documented, I have to say that I am beginning to grow concerned that Ray's nuttiness apparently goes way, WAY beyond mere "many facedness." He seems, rather, to have suffered a complete psychotic break, perhaps stirred on by the golden tongue of DCP, who stroked his ego and essentially sent Ray down this warpath. (At least it seems that way; of course, we cannot forget the critical role that the so-called "crack whore" comment played in all of this.) I imagine that poor Ray is just on the verge of blowing an irreplaceable gasket.

[_Ray A]

F*** you Ray and the horse you rode in on. You have no idea what courage it took to stand up and say I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HORSE S*** ANYMORE. What courage it took to chart a new course in my life. To reach out to others who had been mis-led and lied to by a cult started by a man who couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

So F*** you Ray, go back to the cult and shut the f*** up.

Surprisingly, you're one of the exmos I thought "less angry", though your exchanges with Dan Peterson made you look like a real angry dude. You might have had one up on Susan from the "recovery" board, but Dan made you look like an absolute ass. At least you're not constantly, always on here moaning, bitching and griping like Chinese anti-Mormon water-torture.

"Shut the f*** up"? You would love me to, wouldn't you? I believe in freedom of speech too much to shut anyone the f*** up, no matter how much I disagree with them. And that includes you, with your "world's largest repository of anti-Mormon" materials. You should be proud. Now "thinking Mormons" can see both the dining room, and the toilet, and decide whether they want to eat a three course meal, or go for a s***.

[_Ray A]

I will talk about hypocrisy if I want to. I think you should be easier on the moderately inflamed rhetoric of anti-Mormons given that when you were an anti-Mormon, you said far worse than any antis I'm acquainted with.

I'll talk about hypocrisy all I want to, too. You got a problem with that? What I said in the past, is far, far more distant than what you said which is inconsistent, as far as not returning. Find me any serious rant against Mormons I have made since 2003, on ZLMB, and I'll give you some credibility. Remember, this was four, going on five years now!!!

Is that what you call hypocrisy? You'd accuse St. Paul of hypocrisy for consenting to Stephen's death when he was being stoned himself because of his belief in Christ. That's how consistent you are! You just love to hang on to past rants because of the anti-Mormon termites eating away at your brain.

[_Always Thinking]

Keep it comin' Ray. This is great stuff!

[_Gadianton]

I'll talk about hypocrisy all I want to, too. You got a problem with that?

Not really. I was mainly pointing out that to the extent you had charged me, you were talking about inconsistency, not hypocrisy. Sometimes people talk about irony when they really mean serendipidy. Saying I was leaving and then coming back was inconsistent, but technically not hypocrisy:

Hypocrisy is the act of condemning or calling for the condemnation of another person when the critic is guilty of the act for which he demands that the accused be condemned

-wiki

In fact, going by that definition, since I didn't become guilty of the act until after I had condemned others for it, I'm now wondering if hypocrisy is applicable at all.

What I said in the past, is far, far more distant than what you said which is inconsistent, as far as not returning.

Let me ask you this Ray, under the statutues of the Mormon God, does my inconsistency require any repentence? If so, how much more would your friend DCP have to repent for doing the same thing, like 5 times? Now what about some of those things you said about Mormons?

Find me any serious rant against Mormons I have made since 2003, on ZLMB, and I'll give you some credibility. Remember, this was four, going on five years now!!!

Whoa Ray, you think the Lord doesn't remember what happened 5 years ago? Some of those emails you sent the mods, wow, we had to keep them for years on the off chance you might actually have been unstable enough to make good on your threats. For someone who went to the extent you did, I would *think* you'd have a little more empathy for others who often blow up and say rude things. I have to admit, I have a lot more empathy now for people who do desperate things than I did a couple years ago. I'd think you'd have the ability to empathize with angry ex-mo's, apparently not.

Is that what you call hypocrisy? You'd accuse St. Paul of hypocrisy for consenting to Stephen's death when he was being stoned himself because of his belief in Christ. That's how consistent you are! You just love to hang on to past rants because of the anti-Mormon termites eating away at your brain.

Hmm, comparing yourself to Paul, huh? It's intereting how you try to put all your misdeeds against the church in the past, "that was 5 years ago!" and avoid any responsibility for them. Recall that Paul never ceased to remind the Saints that he was the least of the apostles. The Godly sorrow he had over his actions, apparently led him to great empathy for other sinners, and rather than pretending to break ranks with them and hate them for doing less than what he did, he looked to forgiveness for them too.

[_mormonmistress]

I know I shouldn't be happy about Ray's meltdown, but boy, reading this thread did more to make me smile than anything has in days.

[_beastie]

We're seeing part of what makes Ray's tantrums particularly strange. He criticizes other people, and even goes into rages, over behavior he, himself, manifests in spades. He says that the hate-filled rhetoric of "angry exmormons will result in real life violence (to what degree varies dependent, perhaps, upon his current mood) against Mormons, even noting that associating a group with Satan makes that violence more likely - while simultaneously engaging in hate-filled rhetoric against "angry exmormons", including associating them with satan or evil. But will his rhetoric result in violence against angry exmormons? I don't recall if he's directly addressed that question.

He criticizes Gad for changing his mind about coming back to the board, after he's declared himself - numerous times - that he's done with this board, done with internet exmormons in general, even repenting and going to his bishop to get his life straight again - only to almost immediately change his mind.

He criticizes "angry exmormons" for continuing to talk about the church when they should simply get on with their life, while simultaneously obsessing about angry exmormons.

by the way, I put "angry exmormons" in quotes because Ray, like many other believers, has the tendency to project his own angry state onto other people. I haven't felt angry about the church in many, many years, but, being one of the "Primary Anti-Mormon Antagonists" (according to Ray), I'm quite sure he categorizes me as an "angry exmormon". He may have actually expressed that categorization in the past, but he's ranted so much it's difficult to remember it all. Certainly Juliann, who also uses the "angry exmormon" categorization, regularly used to accuse me of being hysterically angry in my posts, when I felt zero anger at all. It was like bizarro-land.