Ray A.....total nut.

[_Bond...James Bond]

Thanks, Bond, for waking the beast. ;o)

Happy Halloween all - behold, the monster has awakened! Run for your lives!

I did it all for you!

[_MishMagnet]

Reading Ray's posts both before and after the mods clean them up is surreal. Before you can feel the anger coming through your computer screen and after it's like having a Mormon cussing you out saying "Fetch" and "Dang." To borrow Colbert - Watch out or Ray's going to go all 'fudgesticks' and 'applesauce' on your a**!

[_Runtu]

Reading Ray's posts both before and after the mods clean them up is surreal. Before you can feel the anger coming through your computer screen and after it's like having a Mormon cussing you out saying "Fetch" and "Dang." To borrow Colbert - Watch out or Ray's going to go all 'fudgesticks' and 'applesauce' on your a**!

Like I said, I mostly just feel bad about the whole thing. I think he's just in a place where he sees nothing but evil coming from the "critics." That's too bad.

[_Ray A]

Let me ask you this Ray, under the statutues of the Mormon God, does my inconsistency require any repentence? If so, how much more would your friend DCP have to repent for doing the same thing, like 5 times? Now what about some of those things you said about Mormons?

I don't know who the "Mormon God" is. My definition of God goes beyond that. So we are not on the same pathway here. You're talking apples while I'm talking oranges. Why is an atheist even asking questions about repentance? Go drop your dog s*** on someone else's yard.

Whoa Ray, you think the Lord doesn't remember what happened 5 years ago? Some of those emails you sent the mods, wow, we had to keep them for years on the off chance you might actually have been unstable enough to make good on your threats. For someone who went to the extent you did, I would *think* you'd have a little more empathy for others who often blow up and say rude things. I have to admit, I have a lot more empathy now for people who do desperate things than I did a couple years ago. I'd think you'd have the ability to empathize with angry ex-mo's, apparently not.

Why are you even talking about "the Lord"? You're an atheist. Playing word games here? Trying to pin something on me? I think the other (LDS) mods realised, eventually, that my emails were hollow threats. And they would have realised this even more when I posted on MAD. They all have a soft spot for you, and have all, as far as I'm aware, speak highly of you. All Mormons have apostate tendencies, which is why they sympathise with apostates like you, and even post here. Even Joseph Smith had them. He said he didn't feel like apostatising right now, and hoped he never would. You see, Gad, this is what you fail to distinguish. They are Titanic Mormons trying to plug small holes, hoping the ship will never sink. You are the iceberg waiting for the Titanic. They want to play "Nearer My God To Thee", but you want to watch the Titanic sink while eating buttered popcorn. Sometimes I think they are blowing sunshine up your ass. They probably have mixed feelings about you, but like to post "positive things", as many Mormons do. I don't think they include you in their night time prayers, though. In fact, I think it's out of the goodness of their hearts that they blow sunshine up your arrogant intellectual ass. Warm fuzzies, and all that. Your philosophy is about as comprehensive as a poodle contemplating Aristotle. Reading your "philosophical musings" is about as entertaining as reading the fine print on instructions about how to use a two-tiered toaster.

I think they are just being nice to you. Like Claudia Bushman - say something different. Something "appealing to apostate ears". Maybe they're hoping to win people like you over. Or, maybe they really think that? Some Mormons are still light years behind on how to win over apostates, and the way to win them over is to just tell them they are full of b***s***! You want to win them, and they want to win you, and that takes considerable "diplomacy". Don't offend anyone! Tread softly. But I will not tread softly, Gad - I think your "philosophical posts", which are sometimes subtle attempts to win "intellectual Mormons" filled with the love of Christ, are insufferably boring. I can barely tolerate reading what you write - it bores the royal s*** out of me.

In the end, you're just another anti-Mormon. Like beastie and her "Zarahemla studies". I don't know why she goes to this length. Instead of all this intellectual farting, she doesn't just come out and say what she thinks. She thinks Mormons are jack-s*** 1950s anachronisims (never mind about Book of Mormon anachronisms). But she prefers to write about "Book of Mormon anachronisms". Who the f*****g hell among Mormons cares if horse-s*** dropped in Central America after 421 AD? Neither of you understand the real source of Mormon conviction. You with your philosophy, and beastie with her archaeology, are intellectual dinosaurs. Someone says the moon is made of cheese, and beastie and Gad devote 1 million pages to rebutting it. This is not hypocrisy, it is abject stupidity! Beastie doesn't believe a word of the Book of Mormon, thinks it's all b***s***, and she reads 30 books about the theory and construction of b***s***. She takes b***s*** very seriously! B***s*** can, somehow, lead to a Mormon theocracy. I bet even Einstein would be puzzled by that logic. Beastie is not "hurt", she's just a vindictive bitch.

Joseph Smith was a twopence fraud not worthy of attention. The thousands of volumes written about him, his motives, his sex life, his beliefs, are all worthless. So you see, Gad, one thing is noteworthy about this "obsession". You, and beastie, and others, claim Mormonism is an obvious, outright fraud, which I don't. But you waste and wear out your lives trying to prove it wrong. Shouldn't it all be obvious? Why so many volumes to try to prove that Mickey Mouse is NOT a prophet?

Who today, investigates whether Snagapuss only had one testicle? That's the level beastie places Mormon archaeology on. Yet she devotes a whole web thread to it.

Hmm, comparing yourself to Paul, huh? It's intereting how you try to put all your misdeeds against the church in the past, "that was 5 years ago!" and avoid any responsibility for them. Recall that Paul never ceased to remind the Saints that he was the least of the apostles. The Godly sorrow he had over his actions, apparently led him to great empathy for other sinners, and rather than pretending to break ranks with them and hate them for doing less than what he did, he looked to forgiveness for them too.

You sound very - Mormon - here.

So, you want me to forgive angry exmos? Something good and "Christlike" from your Mormon "brainwashing" still remains? I forgive them all! I think they all deserve respect. I also forgive all great white sharks, centipedes, and rattle snakes too, because they know not what they do.

[_rcrocket]

Ray. You da man.

rcrocket

[_barrelomonkeys]

Ray! I like Beastie a lot! I don't think she's a bitch at all!

But I really, really enjoy reading what you're typing out! It sort of rocks in a really wacko, crazy, insane way that I REALLY dig!!!!

And I'm being completely sincere!

OMG! It's sorta hot!


<exclamations off!!>

[_Always Thinking]

But you waste and wear out your lives trying to prove it wrong. Shouldn't it all be obvious? Why so many volumes to try to prove that Mickey Mouse is NOT a prophet?

Because we have had Mickey Mouse shoved down our throats since the day we were born.

[_Some Schmo]

Ray. You da man.

rcrocket

You know you're a dumbass when you get the seal of approval from this dumbass.

(Not that anyone really needed any more proof).

hehehe

[_Gadianton]

I think the other (LDS) mods realised, eventually, that my emails were hollow threats.

Oh yeah, I agree, that's what they seemed to be. But they were pretty violent. And, I think, that most people realize that a lot of the more abrasive "anti-Mormonism" out there is also blowing off steam. What I wonder if you realize, is that you're not the only person in the world who has feelings. If you get mad, and go wayyyy off the deep end, we're all suppose to say, "oh Ray's just mad, don't take the bad stuff too seriously". But if a critic takes any kind of a jab at the church, it's nothing but pure hate literature.

Sometimes I think they are blowing sunshine up your ass. They probably have mixed feelings about you, but like to post "positive things", as many Mormons do.

Who, apologists?

Your philosophy is about as comprehensive as a poodle contemplating Aristotle. Reading your "philosophical musings" is about as entertaining as reading the fine print on instructions about how to use a two-tiered toaster.

Most of the philosophy I read is boring, and it takes a lot of effort for me to finish even short papers. Unfortunately, the truth isn't always as fun as big Lamanite warriors racing around Zarahemla on their horses.

But I will not tread softly, Gad - I think your "philosophical posts", which are sometimes subtle attempts to win "intellectual Mormons" filled with the love of Christ, are insufferably boring. I can barely tolerate reading what you write - it bores the royal s*** out of me.

Of course it does. I write on at least a 7th grade level.

Who the f*****g hell among Mormons cares if horse-s*** dropped in Central America after 421 AD?

Oh believe me, if a load of verifiable pre-Columbian horse crap were discovered, the flies would be shoo-ing the apologists away.

Neither of you understand the real source of Mormon conviction. You with your philosophy, and beastie with her archaeology, are intellectual dinosaurs. Someone says the moon is made of cheese, and beastie and Gad devote 1 million pages to rebutting it.

As opposed to 1 million pages speculating on the "divine council" in the Old Testament.

Beastie is not "hurt", she's just a vindictive bitch.

And what do we call someone who writes, "YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD". Is that person vindictive? obsessed?

Joseph Smith was a twopence fraud not worthy of attention.

We agree.

Who today, investigates whether Snagapuss only had one testicle? That's the level beastie places Mormon archaeology on. Yet she devotes a whole web thread to it.

Have you see the collection of books Brant Gardner devotes to these kinds of subjects?

So, you want me to forgive angry exmos?

I don't care if you do or not. I'm pointing out, for the benefit of the lurkers, that that which you condemn, you yourself are guilty of 10 fold.

The note about Paul was that, you don't compare to the LDS interpretation of him, sorry.

[Guest]

I write on at least a 7th grade level.

I sit with my dictionary open when I read your intellectually pretentious, two tiered toaster musings. ;)

Of course that may just mean that I read at a 6th grade level? It may be that...


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* Edited because my fingers were typing without much brain function. Which also explains why I need a dictionary and wiki often. :)*