beastie: do you think anyone ever left the LDS Church due to an issue with being too prideful?
People leave the church for a variety of reasons. I'm sure it's possible that someone would leave the church due to their pride being injured, such as not being called to a certain calling.
But I do not believe the actual process of loss of faith (versus simply leaving the church) is related to being too prideful. I think it's the exact opposite.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
The deeper you go into denial Beastie, the harder it becomes to remain intellectually honest with yourself and others. That it isn't obvious to you that it was not I, but you who demonstrated the very character defects you believe, through your rose colored glasses of hatred, envy, and bigotry toward LDS people and their beliefs, inheres in them, is a cause for real concern.
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
Have you asked the GA's to remove your name from Church records yet Harmony (and I again make a huge leap here, assuming you were ever LDS at all)?
Honestly, you are such a nut I doubt even MADdites would have much to do with you.
You imagine all critics are lying about their backgrounds because, of course, it's just not possible that sincere people come to a different conclusion about the church than yours.
Very appropo to the topic.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
thestyleguy wrote:I think it is pretty arragont to keep the attitude that you are a god in embryo. I think once you start understand that you are a monkey that can read symbols and understand some abstract thoughts then you are on a path to peace.
Even assuming there isn't a God, I don't see a problem in valuing humans more than any other life on the planet or universe for that matter. That is not to say we shouldn't value other animals, but rather that greatly valuing ourselves seems justifiable to me.
I think of sciece fiction. Sure there are often aliens out there, but humans are still often portrayed as one of the greatest. Anthropocentrism is quite widespread and certainly not limited to Mormons who believe in being God in embryo. I think dreams of a great potential for humanity are inspiring. I think so long as we keep perspective of our current problems (wars, poverty, etc.), that the inspiration of a better future is a grand thing.
Humans are already more than monkeys with the capability of abstract thought. We are in some sense already Gods. We already have the knowledge and power to reshape life through DNA. While that is due to laregely to our ability to have abstract thought, it is very significant power. It's like saying that animals are just robots with consciousness.
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But I do not believe the actual process of loss of faith (versus simply leaving the church) is related to being too prideful. I think it's the exact opposite.
How convenient. Its those who deny God, his Gospel, and his teachings, who are the real truth seekers, and who are the true salt of the earth.
The humble, penitent seekers of truth and light.
Beastie's entire self concept is wrapped up in the continual maintinence of the psychological defense mechanisms necessary in keeping her pride from giving way to the Spirit and to the edifice of self referential egoism that supports her dreary and self serving defamation of the internal motives and attitudes of faithful LDS.
It sinks deeper into the abyssal void the farther it goes...
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
LifeOnaPlate wrote:beastie: do you think anyone ever left the LDS Church due to an issue with being too prideful?
Do you really think she doesn't?
If she answers yes, then her point still stands and is not diminished in any way. If she says no, then while we disagree with her, it only speaks to her credibiilty, not her point.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Honestly, you are such a nut I doubt even MADdites would have much to do with you.
You imagine all critics are lying about their backgrounds because, of course, it's just not possible that sincere people come to a different conclusion about the church than yours.
Very appropo to the topic.
No, the point is that she has shown time and time again that she does not understand basic, rudimentary concepts of Church doctrine, practice, history, and organizational structurer, and phony exmos having always been rife in the anti-Mormon world, its a fair assumption.
Either that, or she hasn't been paying much attention since Primary.
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
How convenient. Its those who deny God, his Gospel, and his teachings, who are the real truth seekers, and who are the true salt of the earth.
Why am I still bothering with you? I must feel like wasting time.
It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. If you believe you were wrong about a most cherished belief, the belief around which you constructed your entire life - that process is humbling.
Get it? You were wrong about something you once believed passionately, and gave your entire life to. You are accepting you were wrong.
That isn't pride.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Either that, or she hasn't been paying much attention since Primary.
At least I read your posts when I decide to waste time with you. You don't even return the favor. You haven't registered the smallest detail about my story - like, you know, I was a convert at 19. It's an irrelevant point, but demonstrates how little you pay attention to others.
I'm getting ready to leave now, so will give coggins more space to demonstrate my point on his own. ;)
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
beastie wrote:It has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. If you believe you were wrong about a most cherished belief, the belief around which you constructed your entire life - that process is humbling.
Get it? You were wrong about something you once believed passionately, and gave your entire life to. You are accepting you were wrong.
That isn't pride.
As far as that goes, you're right. However, I think do detect some implicit pride in my interaction with other here. They ask when I'm going to wake up and realize I'm wrong, or if I know how silly my responses sound. That sound a bit prideful too, not that church members don't have the reverse of that very pride. I'm just saying that it may still be quite prevalent on the leaving side.
for what it's worth, I don't think I've gotten that particular vibe from you.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO