Ray A.....total nut.

[_beastie]

Yes, you are.

Thank you for telling me what my thoughts and emotions are. Is there anything else I should know about my thoughts and emotions?

And it's quite amazing that someone who has never met me can engage in such diagnosis. What a gift you have.

Did you ever say anything about this exchange between Mercury and Dr. Steuss?:

Dr. Steuss: What will it take to move forward?


Mercury: The murder of 150+ general authorities. Is this acceptable? If the LDS church does not want to see themselves as culpable then they should have no problem with this either. This is harsh, fitting with the LDS church and the eye for an eye blood atonement bullsh*t brigham young preached.

Besides, after the equity from the dead GA's is appropriated we can see where exactly the financial structures lie within the LDS elite. It would be worth it just for that.

BLOOD ATONEMENT!

I don't remember seeing this exchange at all, but it is obviously tongue in cheek. Was your "YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD" tongue in cheek? And why do you insist on holding me accountable for what other exmormons say and do, even when I wasn't even around? This is not the first time, you did it very recently with a website by someone named Sam.

I'm not the one who pretends to be omniscient here. You are.

[_Ray A]

Yes, you are.

Thank you for telling me what my thoughts and emotions are. Is there anything else I should know about my thoughts and emotions?

And thank you for telling me what my thoughts and emotions are. You do it all the time.

And it's quite amazing that someone who has never met me can engage in such diagnosis. What a gift you have.

Have you ever met Juliann, DCP, Coggins, Bob? Which Mormon you now debate, and diagnose, have you met in real life?

I don't remember seeing this exchange at all, but it is obviously tongue in cheek. Was your "YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD" tongue in cheek? And why do you insist on holding me accountable for what other exmormons say and do, even when I wasn't even around?

Would you like me to dig up some more from around the Net? It would be pointless, because you'd dismiss all of them as "tongue-in-cheek".

This is not the first time, you did it very recently with a website by someone named Sam.

That's because you don't pay much attention to what exmos are saying. You ONLY pay attention to what Mormons are saying - then try to trap them in the words.

[_Mister Scratch]

You'd have to ask them, because they visited me fairly regularly after that was written, in fact even during the time it was written.
I'm also sure Dr. Peterson felt no need to wear a bullet-proof vest when he visited me last year. I didn't have to eat the first chicken salad, and he didn't have to wait to see if I suffered poisoning and dropped dead.

First, it's interesting you use the passive voice here: "it was written". YOU wrote it Ray.

So did DCP know about you PMing the Z mods "YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD"? If he did, how did he find out about it? And if he did not, then why are you using his visit with you as proof that it didn't bother him?

Interesting. It seems Ray has fallen into an all-too-familiar Mopologetic habit of sophistry. Nice going there, Ray. Did DCP teach you to do that?

I doubt DCP knew about this email. I doubt anyone but the mods on Z knew about it, and even you didn't know about it. So how would DCP?

Indeed, how would he? The trouble here is that this reveals your above statement---about DCP and the vest---to be quite dishonest. Wow, Ray---has your crusade against ex-mos really degraded your ethics this much?

[_Ray A]

Indeed, how would he? The trouble here is that this reveals your above statement---about DCP and the vest---to be quite dishonest. Wow, Ray---has your crusade against ex-mos really degraded your ethics this much?

Your leaps of illogic are baffling. No Scratch, my crusade against exmos could never go as low as your crusade against Mormons, and Mormonism. You engage in constant character assassination.

[_Mister Scratch]

Indeed, how would he? The trouble here is that this reveals your above statement---about DCP and the vest---to be quite dishonest. Wow, Ray---has your crusade against ex-mos really degraded your ethics this much?

Your leaps of illogic are baffling. No Scratch, my crusade against exmos could never go as low as your crusade against Mormons, and Mormonism. You engage in constant character assassination.

No, I don't. I present evidence of Mopologetic misbehavior, sure. But there is nothing about that which could reasonably be (mis)construed as "character assassination." You, on the other hand, have just been caught in a sophistry. I guess your crusade has driven you to this kind of dishonesty, which isn't really surprising, given how rank this stuff is amongst Mopologists.

[_Coggins7]

No, I don't. I present evidence of Mopologetic misbehavior, sure.

No, you're a dismally transparent liar and demagogue, exactly how you have always presented yourself here. You're intellectual dishonesty long ago reached the level of self parody.

[_beastie]

Ray,

Are you saying that the things Scratch says are worse than you PMing the Z mods saying YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD?

[_Ray A]

Ray,

Are you saying that the things Scratch says are worse than you PMing the Z mods saying YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD?

Yes, I am, and I'll tell you why. First of all it was a private email, never intended for public release. It was a very stupid thing to do, and I regret it. The people it was aimed at - never released this. An anti-Mormon did. I have no problem with that in the sense it's give and take on the Net, and both sides will try to win points. I do have to say, though, I don't think much of a person who gets that desperate. It has always been my policy never to release private information, no matter how much I want to win points. What happens in emails, stays in emails, or eventually no one will ever trust you. As much as I criticise angry exmos, I would not release personal information about them, even if they had privately made a threat against Mormons. What's on the board is fair game.

Scratch does not only NOT regret his constant character assassination - he continues full on, unabated, and he has and is hurting the people he attacks, he is doing far worse, and creating real pain and disgust because of his innuendo and character assassination. What do you think DCP would care about? What I wrote five years ago? Or the lies, innuendo, and character assassination that Scratch constantly directs at him?

I am not rationalising what I did. It was totally wrong.

[_Ray A]

I had a powerful, numinous experience. There were no audible words, no person appeared to me. Instead, when I prayed "is the Book of Mormon the word of God" I felt as if electricity and light were suddenly poured into every cell of my body. It was an incredible experience.

I interpreted that experience to be God saying "yes, the Book of Mormon is the word of God". This was a quite reasonable interpretation given what the missionaries had just taught me. (My emphasis)..........


See, what you have to do when faced with the numinous events of people of other faiths is to tell yourself that your experience was qualitatively different than theirs, or that they misinterpret what their experience meant, while at the same time insisting it is not possible that it is YOU misinterpreting your experience. (beastie's emphasis)

Beastie, what if your latter interpretation is wrong? What if God did actually give you that revelation?

[_Mister Scratch]

Ray,

Are you saying that the things Scratch says are worse than you PMing the Z mods saying YOUR MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD?

Yes, I am, and I'll tell you why. First of all it was a private email, never intended for public release.

Just out of curiosity, Ray---how is the supposed "privacy" of this supposed to nullify its essentially horrific nature?

It was a very stupid thing to do, and I regret it. The people it was aimed at - never released this. An anti-Mormon did. I have no problem with that in the sense it's give and take on the Net, and both sides will try to win points. I do have to say, though, I don't think much of a person who gets that desperate. It has always been my policy never to release private information, no matter how much I want to win points. What happens in emails, stays in emails, or eventually no one will ever trust you. As much as I criticise angry exmos, I would not release personal information about them, even if they had privately made a threat against Mormons. What's on the board is fair game.

If this were genuinely true, then you would have a big problem with DCP's "leaking" of private information pertaining to Mike Quinn. You would staunchly oppose the Good Professor's endless gossipmongering and trash-talking.

Scratch does not only NOT regret his constant character assassination - he continues full on, unabated, and he has and is hurting the people he attacks, he is doing far worse, and creating real pain and disgust because of his innuendo and character assassination.

What "real pain," Ray? Who is genuinely in pain? CFR!

What do you think DCP would care about? What I wrote five years ago?

Well, despite your dishonest warping of events in your above posting, it is easy enough to imagine DCP being very perturbed by the sort of statement you made. Quite sick, Ray.

Or the lies, innuendo, and character assassination that Scratch constantly directs at him?

I have not lied in any of my postings on DCP. In fact, I have followed your above rule quite well: I have stuck only to things which The Good Professor has posted online.