Ray A.....total nut.

[_Mister Scratch]

In any case, this only proves what I have been saying all along: you need your ego stroked, and will flip flop under the right circumstances. If I told you more about myself, kissed your butt, etc., ala DCP, I'm sure that you'd be ripping on LDS again in no time.

Go ahead and try it. You don't "get it", buddy, my respect for you is ZERO. And the only thing that will change that is when you stop your character assassination.

What are you talking about? What was the last "character assassination" I engaged in? CFR, Ray!

Why does any of that matter, Ray? If you can provide me with a good explanation, I just might tell you.

Explanations have been provided ad nauseam.

I said a good explanation.

If you're going to scrutinise and judge the character of other people, then they have a right to know WHO is doing the judging!

But... They *do* know me. I am right here, freely available for chat or comment, on MDB! Sure, you might not know certain personal details, such as my Church membership status, or my gender, but what does that matter? You can evaluate my character just fine on the basis of my posts, which, incidentally, is precisely the same thing I have done with DCP and the Mopologists.

[_Ray A]

Sure, you might not know certain personal details, such as my Church membership status, or my gender, but what does that matter?

That is precisely what matters.

[_Mister Scratch]

Sure, you might not know certain personal details, such as my Church membership status, or my gender, but what does that matter?

That is precisely what matters.

How do you figure? Or is this just more of your insane babbling? To illustrate: I thought Pahoran was a class-A jerk long, long before I knew his name. Personal information like that is irrelevant, Ray.

[_Ray A]

How do you figure? Or is this just more of your insane babbling? To illustrate: I thought Pahoran was a class-A jerk long, long before I knew his name. Personal information like that is irrelevant, Ray.

Have you ever heard of "declaring your interests"? That's why you can't be taken seriously in your commentary about others. You know lots and lots about others' personal lives, and from your protected Ivory Tower you shoot arrows at them. I know the backgrounds of many posters here, and they know mine. The position you hold is relevant to your commentary, if not in the eyes of your supporters, certainly in the eyes of those you criticise. Otherwise, you're what's commonly known as a cowardly bully. "Let's have a duel with one gun, I get to hold the gun."

[_Mister Scratch]

How do you figure? Or is this just more of your insane babbling? To illustrate: I thought Pahoran was a class-A jerk long, long before I knew his name. Personal information like that is irrelevant, Ray.

Have you ever heard of "declaring your interests"?

Are my "interests" not obvious from my posts?

That's why you can't be taken seriously in your commentary about others. You know lots and lots about others' personal lives,

Such as what? I don't know anything about these people beyond what they themselves have stated online. I haven't done any malicious digging or anything of that nature. I know nothing beyond what the people themselves have written, Ray, which is why your accusations don't make any sense.

and from your protected Ivory Tower you shoot arrows at them. I know the backgrounds of many posters here, and they know mine. The position you hold is relevant to your commentary, if not in the eyes of your supporters, certainly in the eyes of those you criticise.

How/why is it relevant, Ray? You haven't explained this. What would it accomplish? Why would those I "criticise" be interested in knowing, pray tell? What would they do with that information?

Otherwise, you're what's commonly known as a cowardly bully. "Let's have a duel with one gun, I get to hold the gun."

A false analogy. I hold no extra "gun" of any kind. I stick to material which is posted online, and gladly allow my opponents to do the same. There is nothing remotely unfair about that.

[_Ray A]

A false analogy. I hold no extra "gun" of any kind. I stick to material which is posted online, and gladly allow my opponents to do the same. There is nothing remotely unfair about that.

The point, Scratch, is that you have chosen to make as little as possible about yourself known "online". And in the past you have said the reason for this is so that you don't have to be subjected to personal attacks. While you dish them out liberally! Now, what do you call such a person? A coward? Who can respect that?

Of course, I'm not denying your right to be like this - I just can't respect you.

[_Mister Scratch]

A false analogy. I hold no extra "gun" of any kind. I stick to material which is posted online, and gladly allow my opponents to do the same. There is nothing remotely unfair about that.

The point, Scratch, is that you have chosen to make as little as possible about yourself known "online".

So what? How does this somehow make me deserving of less respect? Why am I to be labeled a "coward" simply because I don't go blabbing about my personal affairs? Your argument doesn't make any sense, Ray.

[_Ray A]

So what? How does this somehow make me deserving of less respect? Why am I to be labeled a "coward" simply because I don't go blabbing about my personal affairs? Your argument doesn't make any sense, Ray.

It makes a lot of sense. You said you only post what's online, but you posted all of DCP's emails to you. That wasn't "online". It was gutless. To the contrary, when I had my tiffs with DCP in 2003, at least he didn't do that. He offered, privately, for anyone who wanted to read our exchanges to do so by asking him to send them, and I assume with the condition they were not to be posted publicly. That I have always respected, even when we were crossing wires at the time. He was, for short time, a "enemy" I could respect. Yes, I'm even prepared to respect "enemies", if they have a sense of fair play.

[_beastie]

Coggins,

I expect an answer to this question:

by the way, coggins, if you were to discover that the EV God is the true God, and he intends to send sincere Mormons to hell to burn for eternity for believing the wrong thing, would you respect, worship, and love HIM?

[_Mister Scratch]

So what? How does this somehow make me deserving of less respect? Why am I to be labeled a "coward" simply because I don't go blabbing about my personal affairs? Your argument doesn't make any sense, Ray.

It makes a lot of sense. You said you only post what's online, but you posted all of DCP's emails to you. That wasn't "online". It was gutless. To the contrary, when I had my tiffs with DCP in 2003, at least he didn't do that. He offered, privately, for anyone who wanted to read our exchanges to do so by asking him to send them, and I assume with the condition they were not to be posted publicly. That I have always respected, even when we were crossing wires at the time. He was, for short time, a "enemy" I could respect. Yes, I'm even prepared to respect "enemies", if they have a sense of fair play.

Ray---this doesn't answer my point at all. I asked you why the fact that I have been cagey vis-a-vis my private information makes me "deserving of less respect." Now you are saying that I am deserving of "less respect" because I posted some of DCP's and I's email exchanges, which is something different.

Do you have a real argument, or are you just letting off steam, mate?