The apologist head in a basket

[_asbestosman]

All you know is you heard a rumor and you then use this rumor as your evidence that people don’t leave the Church because of message boards. Your point makes no sense whatsoever unless this person was a message board participant. Your point makes no sense unless this person was a poster on this forum.

Actually, I think her point was just that some people switch sides out of pride, not that someone switched to this paricular message board out of pride. Personally I don't think it's a very good point either way, but I do think it was related to part of what harmony was talking about namely with people switching sides. I grant that it would have been a better fit if it related to an apologist-turned-critic who was actually on this board because harmony's comment spoke of this message board in relation to switching sides. I think, however, that the point would still make sense.

I have not ridiculed anyone.

No? You admittedly spoke ill of someone you never conversed with. Someone you never met. You said he “got his head handed to him in a basket.” You said he “got his pride whomped.” You then said he, “wanted to blame his bruised ego on the Church, the general authorities, and every TBM who wouldn't lick his wounds to make him feel better.”

In what corner of the universe is this not considered ridicule? The fact that you admittedly know nothing about this person or the veracity of the “rumor,” tells us little about this person, but speaks volumes about charity.

I think the distinction Charity makes isn't with the words spoken against the mystery man (as I would indeed consider them ridiculing if applied to, say, me), but rather in the idea that the identity of the person they referred to was not revealed.

[_asbestosman]

I think that the connection was obvious and was your fault. How do you explain the moniker Voldemort? You know that was in reference to Kevin. Did you do anything to correct any reference to Kevin?

I think she already admitted that Pacman was referring to Kevin with "Voldemort". However, Charity also told us what it was she had PM'd Pacman about with respect to Kevin. The mystery man she referred to as having his head handed to him in a basket is the one she maintains is someone else.

All we have is a name given to Runtu. And he is an honest choice. But I feel you have set him up and us up. It shows nothing.

I agree that it shows nothing. I don't know why Charity bothered with that, and I think she's regretting it too.

I still see that whole communication as being between you and Pacman about Kevin unless you show more.

That is, of course, your choice. Still, I think the circumstantial evidence can allow for Charity to have been honest in all that. As to whether some kind of gossip was engaged in, I'm not as sure. I mean I might think it gossip to say something about a mystery man even if that person's identity were unknown. Charity has a different view on the matter.

That's how I see things. I understand that others see it differently.

[_asbestosman]

I think asbestosman had it right. You aren't going to change your mind about me no matter what.

Well, I hope you'll forgive me for not following my own advice and trying one last time.

[_Zoidberg]

I think asbestosman had it right. You aren't going to change your mind about me no matter what.

Well, I hope you'll forgive me for not following my own advice and trying one last time.

I allow the possibility that charity was referring to someone else. But the whole deal with the secret name that Runtu must not reveal (really, there should have been a handshake involved) is rather pointless if she can't or won't provide evidence of the situation really happening to this person. Who she has never talked to, but yet is eager to announce that he left the Church because of a bruised ego and use that nasty rumor as an argument. After all, rumors are reliable, but only when they apply to ex-mormons. Not when they are about Joseph Smith's children from other people's wives or BY pocketing tithing funds.

[_dartagnan]

After all, rumors are reliable, but only when they apply to ex-mormons. Not when they are about Joseph Smith's children from other people's wives or BY pocketing tithing funds.

ROFL!

I'm really beginning to like you Zoid.

[_Blixa]

Plus its not a rumor if your mom says it isn't.

[_dartagnan]

Blixa... are you gradually altering your avatar, or am I tripping on something?

[Anonymous]

er..I cycle through several pictures I took on my laptop...but I haven't altered any one of them.

My diagnosis is...too much latte. Zoid's got yer number.

*****Edited to change avatar to picture just taken this instant....just to mess with Dart's head..*******

[_charity]

And previously Charity wrote:

It is not my fault that Kevin took the scenario, applied it to himself, recognized himself in it and then accused me of lying about him because the circumstance didn't fit him. Why am the only person who can see how inconsistent that is?

I think that the connection was obvious and was your fault. How do you explain the moniker Voldemort? You know that was in reference to Kevin. Did you do anything to correct any reference to Kevin?

All we have is a name given to Runtu. And he is an honest choice. But I feel you have set him up and us up. It shows nothing. I still see that whole communication as being between you and Pacman about Kevin unless you show more.

Are you and Mr. Scratch the same person? He is evidenlty under the same misconcpetion as exhibited here.

There are 2 different events. The first is the thread where I used the term "handed his head in a basket." That was in reference to someone NOT Kevin.

The second is the thread on MA&D where I read a comment by pacman who said he was not sure of Kevin's church status. That was all I was responding to. So I pm'ed pacman with Kevin's own words. Then pacman posted on MA&D, with his own added comments, and certain people here lit up like rockets.

I can't help what you want to think. The facts are out there. Two events. Not connected.

I have, as asbestosman said, "chided" pacman on using my comments in a way I did not use them myself. I am not responsible for his comments. I have tried many, many times to explain to Kevin I was not referring to him. He won't accept that. I gave runtu the opportunity to refuse to accept the responsiblity, because I thought it might bring some condemnation down on his head. And it seems I was right about that. But he accepted the responsiblity and I respect him honoring the trust I placed in him.

I don't see what more I can do. Except bow to Kevin's bullying and post the name on the board. I won't do that.

[_Trevor]

I don't see what more I can do. Except bow to Kevin's bullying and post the name on the board. I won't do that.

I am truly humbled by your integrity.