For Mormons and Exmormons: Object Lessons in Church

[_truth dancer]

Sometimes I feel like I went to a completely different church than some apologists. (sigh)

I heard these sorts of lessons over and over and over.

It was a mantra.

I know three women who were x-ed after a rape....Their virginity was destroyed so they were not worthy to be a member.

Thankfully I know of no consequences/punishments like this today but to pretend that this idea/teaching of the "licked cupcake" didn't exist is quite erroneous.

~dancer~

[_Scottie]

First person is given a Lifesaver. Instructed to put the Life Saver in his/her mouth. Then remove it. Pass to the next person, pass to the next person, on down the rows. The last person is instructed to put the Life Saver in his/her mouth and of course they won't and there is much ewwwwing at the thought. Well, that's how it is when you are slutty, too.

A very sticky and unsanitary object lesson!

LOL. When I was in seminary, I was a bit of a smartass, plus I've never been a germ phone. I wish we had the lifesaver lesson when I was a teen because I would've taken that sticky licked lifesaver and popped it in my mouth just to see all the girls go "Ewww," plus it would've ruined the teacher's lesson, which was always a plus for me as a kid.

Yeah, explain to me how we can kiss dozens of different people with tongue, but sucking on a lifesaver that has been sucked on is all of a sudden the most unsanitary thing in the world??? I just don't get it.

[_KimberlyAnn]

First person is given a Lifesaver. Instructed to put the Life Saver in his/her mouth. Then remove it. Pass to the next person, pass to the next person, on down the rows. The last person is instructed to put the Life Saver in his/her mouth and of course they won't and there is much ewwwwing at the thought. Well, that's how it is when you are slutty, too.

A very sticky and unsanitary object lesson!

LOL. When I was in seminary, I was a bit of a smartass, plus I've never been a germ phone. I wish we had the lifesaver lesson when I was a teen because I would've taken that sticky licked lifesaver and popped it in my mouth just to see all the girls go "Ewww," plus it would've ruined the teacher's lesson, which was always a plus for me as a kid.

Yeah, explain to me how we can kiss dozens of different people with tongue, but sucking on a lifesaver that has been sucked on is all of a sudden the most unsanitary thing in the world??? I just don't get it.

You cannot do that, Scottie! French kissing, or Freedom kissing, if you'd prefer, is not allowed! It's sex with the mouth and utterly, completely and totally verboten, except between married couples and then only on Fridays. Geez. Don't you know anything? ;)

KA

[_Always Thinking]

I very distinctly remember an object lesson in Young Women's. A councilor in the bishopric came in and said he was going to give us a piece of peppermint candy. He opened it but "accidentally" dropped it, then stepped on it, and just got it gross and dirty. Then he picked it up and asked us if any of us wanted it. Of course none of us did. Then he compared it to sleeping around.

Then, I remember lesson where someone literally had a salad prepared and brought it to class (may have been a Saturday stake youth activity, not sure). They asked us if we liked salad, and someone or all of us may have eaten it. Then he dumped a small amount of dirt in the salad and stirred it. He asked if anyone would eat the salad now. Of course no one would. He said "but there is hardly any dirt in the salad, are you sure you don't want it?" No, we didn't want it. Eventually he made the point that even just a little sin can ruin things.

[_Scottie]

Sometimes I feel like I went to a completely different church than some apologists. (sigh)

I heard these sorts of lessons over and over and over.

It was a mantra.

I know three women who were x-ed after a rape....Their virginity was destroyed so they were not worthy to be a member.

Thankfully I know of no consequences/punishments like this today but to pretend that this idea/teaching of the "licked cupcake" didn't exist is quite erroneous.

~dancer~

This is a very sensitive subject, so I'm going to try and approach it with great care.

For all of the women that have been legitimate raped, you have my utter and most heartfelt sympathies.

However, crying rape is FAR too easy for women to do. I have a close friend that, according to him, had 100% consensual sex with a girl. I have no reason to believe that it is anything but what he says it is. For whatever reason, she cried rape. He was arrested, put in jail, and eventually acquitted after she confessed that it was consensual.

I would never downplay a legitimate rape. That would be a horrible, life altering tragedy. But I do question the validity of these girl's rape claims. I just can't see a whole council of men condemning and exing someone for something so plainly not the girls fault. And, there may be motive for the girls to say this as they may be wanting to save face in the eyes of their fellow young women.

Of course, this story is only 1 paragraph on an anonymous message board, so how much can we really know, right?

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I very distinctly remember an object lesson in Young Women's. A councilor in the bishopric came in and said he was going to give us a piece of peppermint candy. He opened it but "accidentally" dropped it, then stepped on it, and just got it gross and dirty. Then he picked it up and asked us if any of us wanted it. Of course none of us did. Then he compared it to sleeping around.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Then, I remember lesson where someone literally had a salad prepared and brought it to class (may have been a Saturday stake youth activity, not sure). They asked us if we liked salad, and someone or all of us may have eaten it. Then he dumped a small amount of dirt in the salad and stirred it. He asked if anyone would eat the salad now. Of course no one would. He said "but there is hardly any dirt in the salad, are you sure you don't want it?" No, we didn't want it. Eventually he made the point that even just a little sin can ruin things.

I've seen a similar thing and it was applied to movies, like "it only had that one bad part!" So they put some mustard on an ice cream cone or something.

[_KimberlyAnn]

LOaP, how can you say over on MAD that the types of object lessons described on this thread are not commonplace? They are. They are widespread. How can you deny it?

KA

[_LifeOnaPlate]

LOaP, how can you say over on MAD that the types of object lessons described on this thread are not commonplace? They are. They are widespread. How can you deny it?

KA

So far we have Liz, you, Alter Idem, silentkid (his sister, apparently), mishmagnet, and truth dancer alluded to it. That is 6 people. Presume there were about 30 people involved in each lesson, we have a few hundred unfortunate souls who were subjected to this ridiculous object lesson. (At least people got cupcakes, right? Who are the cheap fools using a single piece of candy?)

I believe this type of object lesson is spread (likely through Utah, largely,) and sincerely doubt it is taught to anything near half the membership of the Church. Since it isn't in any manuals I can gratefully say this object lesson is not sanctioned by the Church, though teachers (even some with good intentions) subjected people to the nonsense. ANY time this is enacted it is a disgrace. I don't see it as "commonplace," which to me would indicate more than a few people, or even a few hundred.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

LOaP, how can you say over on MAD that the types of object lessons described on this thread are not commonplace? They are. They are widespread. How can you deny it?

KA

Not only were these lessons taught, they still are. All they are is analogies, and Mormons love analogies. I recently attended a baptism, and one the lessons was an object lesson using a glass of water with food coloring representing sin, then the presenter put in some bleach to make the water pure again, just like baptism. Anyone who denies Mormons use objects to better present their analogies never went to church. In fact, it is a common teaching method used by non-mormons too. Nothing surprising here.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Now, I've taken a hit to my credibility, LOaP? For having the personal experience of being one of hundreds of girls at YW camp? We typically had over two hundred girls attend.

How many YW's camps have you attended?

Your credibility is the one taking the hits.

LifeOnaPlate, if you're not careful, you may get your ass handed to you on a plate.

KA