Would this change your decision to be active or not?

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Gadianton wrote:As FAIR/MAD puts it, "Mormonism has no systematic theology" and that Mormons are "postmodern" - by which they mean the truth is their own personal quest which can be just about anything.


If only it were that loosey-goosey on the ground. The FAIR/MAD crew gets significantly less generous with their doctrinal flexibility when you start talking in concrete terms.
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Two words that would lead me back:

HOOKERS AND BLOW
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
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Well done. Keep up the good work.

As a follow up, how about exploring an an ultra-zealous track?
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moksha wrote:Well done. Keep up the good work.

As a follow up, how about exploring an an ultra-zealous track?




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Post by _Zoidberg »

I like FMH. That was funny. Thanks, charity.

But I wouldn't be more active if the Church were like that.
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If you like that article, you should check out the rest of the Sugar Beet's stuff, available in book form here:

The Mormon Tabernacle Enquirer
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cinepro wrote:If you like that article, you should check out the rest of the Sugar Beet's stuff, available in book form here:

The Mormon Tabernacle Enquirer


That was the Sugar Beet? Loved it! Especially "Ask a Beehive", that stuff was gold! Do you know if the online archives are still available anywhere?
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LMAO TheStyleGuy
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Post by _guy sajer »

charity wrote:
MishMagnet wrote:Lighten up, people! It's a joke! .


Thanks, mish. One of my sons-in-law sent it to me this morning and I thought it was funny. I put it up on MA&D, too.

I don't think it is funny that people feel like they can't stay in the Church, for whatever reason.

I really didn't think it would come to a discussion about why people really do leave the Church, but several of you have mentioned it.

I do not disbelieve any of your own experiences. My experience has been different. I know some people who have left the Church. These are the reasons. And these are the reasons stated by the person him/herself. I am not speculating.

1. Got involved in a commercial personal improvement program which conflicted with Church teachings.
2. Would not belong to a Church which did not condemn capital punishment.
3. Thinks God did not answer his prayers when he was doing everything he should be doing and God should have.
4. Decided members are snooty and judgemental.
5. Excommunicated for adultery.

I don't know any other individuals who have left the Church. I am not including partially active people who still identify themselves as members, even if they do not attend regularly.


These all look like valid reasons to leave the Church. In fact, I'm not sure there is a non-valid reason to leave the Church. Membership in and attendance of a Church deliver a variety of benefits, including, but limited to, spiritual and social. Different people weigh different benefits differently. For some,the social benefits may be the most important. Membership and attendance also impose costs of varied kinds, which people weight differently, including, but limited to, opportunity cost of time, monetary (e.g., tithing), or mental (e.g., drudgery of listening to same superficial messages time after time). Once the costs of membership or attendance outweigh the benefits, the person will either terminate membership, or stop attending, or both.

We should be careful assigning our own weighting perferences to others. If someone, for example, places greatest weight on the social aspect, and who stops attending because someone offended her, then this strikes me as a perfectly valid reason to cease activity, regardless of what the spiritual snobs (those whose who derive significant spiritual benefits from participation and assume everyone else should experience it like they do) may say.
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Post by _ludwigm »

Slow-track membership?
More!
I propose "slower-track membership" with less requirement. (1% tithe, appearing once at a year, etc)
More!
I propose "slowest-track membership" with no requirement, only registered on membership roll.
Oops! This was done! They are the inactives, called as less actives - to their 110 years age.
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