Word Change Acknowledged in SLtrib article

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
_Mercury
_Emeritus
Posts: 5545
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:14 pm

Word Change Acknowledged in SLtrib article

Post by _Mercury »

http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990

Not only do they acknowledge the change but they have one of the oligarchs confirm IT CAME FROM THE TOP.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
_Who Knows
_Emeritus
Posts: 2455
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:09 pm

Post by _Who Knows »

Damn, you beat me by a second.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
_SatanWasSetUp
_Emeritus
Posts: 1183
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:40 pm

Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

So this blows up the "Principal = most important" theory. It's a small defeat for the apologists but it actually ends up helping them in the end. This single sentence was the main stumbling block to their Limited Geography Theory. By making this change official, the actual leadership of the church have given the green light to the apologists and I expect the LGT to be worked into official lesson material, and all references to the hemispheric theory will be phased out.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley

"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
_Zoidberg
_Emeritus
Posts: 523
Joined: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:42 am

Post by _Zoidberg »

SatanWasSetUp wrote:So this blows up the "Principal = most important" theory. It's a small defeat for the apologists but it actually ends up helping them in the end. This single sentence was the main stumbling block to their Limited Geography Theory. By making this change official, the actual leadership of the church have given the green light to the apologists and I expect the LGT to be worked into official lesson material, and all references to the hemispheric theory will be phased out.


Hmm.. Church leadership finally gets it that there is no proof Native americans are descended from Lamanites - evidence that they are inspired!
"reason and religion are friends and allies" - Mitt Romney
_Infymus
_Emeritus
Posts: 1584
Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:10 pm

Post by _Infymus »

Interesting note from Dr. Southerton today:

Hi Folks,

There may be an article in the weekend SL Tribune on the recent change to the introduction of the Book of Mormon. I was asked for my opinion by a reporter and some of you might be interested. She posed 4 questions.

1) What do you think of the change?

I think the change is very significant and that it was inevitable. The manner in which the church has made this change disappoints me. No announcement, no acknowledgement of any error and no concern for thousands of members who struggle to accept the Book of Mormon as historical in the face of devastating scientific evidence that it isn’t.

2) What do you think it's significance is?

The Mormon Church is conceding that mainstream scientific theories about the colonization of the Americas have significant elements of truth in them. Since its founding the church has made numerous religious claims within the scientific domains of New World archaeology and anthropology. These claims have been so clearly exposed as false that the church is now retreating from them.

3) What do you think prompted the change?

From the moment the DNA evidence arrived it was inevitable that the original statement would have to go. Over 8,000 American Indians have been DNA tested and traces of Jewish ancestry have so far eluded the scientists. DNA has revealed very clearly how closely related American Indians are to their Siberian ancestors. The Lamanites are invisible, not principal ancestors.

4) Do you think this helps the LDS Church with the problems posed by DNA research?

Changing the introduction doesn’t change the book. The Book of Mormon itself gives the overwhelming impression to the reader that its people are central to the colonization history of the Americas. There is no mention of non-Israelite others, the New World is portrayed as an empty land preserved for Lehite inheritance and the book describes massive civilizations populated by descendants of Hebrews. Now the Hebrew Lamanites appear to have vanished.

I think the change raises more pressing questions for those seeking the truth. If science was right all along about the dominant Siberian ancestry of American Indians, are they also right about the timing of their entry? There is abundant evidence, some now coming from the DNA research, that their Siberian ancestors arrived over 12,000 years ago. How does such a date fit with other LDS beliefs, such as a universal flood?
_Rollo Tomasi
_Emeritus
Posts: 4085
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:27 pm

Re: Word Change Acknowledged in SLtrib article

Post by _Rollo Tomasi »

Mercury wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990

Not only do they acknowledge the change but they have one of the oligarchs confirm IT CAME FROM THE TOP.

This is a monumental concession, in my opinion. I feel bad for all those Native Americans who were proud to be "Lamanites."
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
_harmony
_Emeritus
Posts: 18195
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:35 am

Post by _harmony »

It sure was a lot easier to be a church leader before all this scientific crap hit the streets.
_Sethbag
_Emeritus
Posts: 6855
Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:52 am

Re: Word Change Acknowledged in SLtrib article

Post by _Sethbag »

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Mercury wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990

Not only do they acknowledge the change but they have one of the oligarchs confirm IT CAME FROM THE TOP.

This is a monumental concession, in my opinion. I feel bad for all those Native Americans who were proud to be "Lamanites."

I'm sure all seven of them will find consolation in their bowls of jello.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
_LifeOnaPlate
_Emeritus
Posts: 2799
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:50 pm

Re: Word Change Acknowledged in SLtrib article

Post by _LifeOnaPlate »

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Mercury wrote:http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990

Not only do they acknowledge the change but they have one of the oligarchs confirm IT CAME FROM THE TOP.

This is a monumental concession, in my opinion. I feel bad for all those Native Americans who were proud to be "Lamanites."


you feel bad a lot. Guilt complex fostered by antimormonism, in my opinion.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
_SatanWasSetUp
_Emeritus
Posts: 1183
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:40 pm

Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

Zoidberg wrote:
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So this blows up the "Principal = most important" theory. It's a small defeat for the apologists but it actually ends up helping them in the end. This single sentence was the main stumbling block to their Limited Geography Theory. By making this change official, the actual leadership of the church have given the green light to the apologists and I expect the LGT to be worked into official lesson material, and all references to the hemispheric theory will be phased out.


Hmm.. Church leadership finally gets it that there is no proof Native americans are descended from Lamanites - evidence that they are inspired!


Oh, I have know doubt this will be spun into a "revelation."
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley

"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Post Reply