I was reading the comments to this article (yeah, I have time to waste).
This one (on the sixth page) was hilarious:
It's been a long time since I was in Sunday School. It sounds like I have some catching up to do. Let me get this straight.
The color of your skin is no longer a deciding factor for holding the Priesthood? Homosexuality is no longer a disease curable through shock treatment at God's school in Provo? The Lamanites are no longer ancestor's of the American Indians?
Please tell me that Jesus still wants me for a sunbeam.
Always Thinking wrote:I was reading the comments to this article (yeah, I have time to waste).
This one (on the sixth page) was hilarious:
It's been a long time since I was in Sunday School. It sounds like I have some catching up to do. Let me get this straight.
The color of your skin is no longer a deciding factor for holding the Priesthood? Homosexuality is no longer a disease curable through shock treatment at God's school in Provo? The Lamanites are no longer ancestor's of the American Indians?
Please tell me that Jesus still wants me for a sunbeam.
That's awesome. The church has opened itself up to some pot shots in the short term, but they know that in the long term, this is the right move. People have short term memories, especially true believers. In 30 years the idea that Mormons believe Native Americans were descended from Lamanites will be an anti-mormon lie.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Here are some more of my favorite snarky comments from the Salt Lake Trib comment section:
Prophet, Seer, Revelator, Editor At least one of these duties gets performed every so often.
Perhaps the introduction should be prefaced by "Once upon a time...."
It might be a good idea to hold onto an old copy of the Book of Mormon.It will be interesting to see how many other changes will miraculously happen. I think Lehi will come across the Bering Straight in later editions.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So this blows up the "Principal = most important" theory. It's a small defeat for the apologists but it actually ends up helping them in the end. This single sentence was the main stumbling block to their Limited Geography Theory. By making this change official, the actual leadership of the church have given the green light to the apologists and I expect the LGT to be worked into official lesson material, and all references to the hemispheric theory will be phased out.
Hmm.. Church leadership finally gets it that there is no proof Native americans are descended from Lamanites - evidence that they are inspired!
Oh, I have know doubt this will be spun into a "revelation."
Your wish is my command:
Aurelia Rozella post Today, 08:07 AM Post #2 Newbie: Without form, and void
QUOTE(helix @ Nov 8 2007, 08:03 AM) *
From the SL Trib, http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7403990. The article is not too bad for the SL Trib. Our own Kevin Barney also is quoted as well.
The word change is welcomed by me. While the introduction is not scripture, I am happy to see that the word "principal" has been replaced, so that the phrase reads "and they are among the ancestors of the American Indian".
God is currently revealing many plain and precious truths. He is correcting our misunderstanding of the story of the inhabitants of this continent. We were under the false assumption that Lamanites were pure descendants of Lehi, when in actuality there were other people previously living on the Americas.
I thank the Lord for our living Prophet who guides us in these Latter Days.
Always Thinking wrote:I was reading the comments to this article (yeah, I have time to waste).
This one (on the sixth page) was hilarious:
It's been a long time since I was in Sunday School. It sounds like I have some catching up to do. Let me get this straight.
The color of your skin is no longer a deciding factor for holding the Priesthood? Homosexuality is no longer a disease curable through shock treatment at God's school in Provo? The Lamanites are no longer ancestor's of the American Indians?
Please tell me that Jesus still wants me for a sunbeam.
That's awesome. The church has opened itself up to some pot shots in the short term, but they know that in the long term, this is the right move. People have short term memories, especially true believers. In 30 years the idea that Mormons believe Native Americans were descended from Lamanites will be an anti-mormon lie.
I have said on other boards that this appears to be the method the church uses to rid itself of the wrong or just plain nutty exclamations of past leaders.
I firmly believe that in 40 years time members of the church will have stopped talking about KOLOB. I remember my aunts and Uncles talking about what a great place KOLOB is/was/will be In the last 12 years or so of my church attendance I maybe heard Kolob mentioned once during a sunday school or prieshtood lesson.
The church makes small changes and when they have become less important in people's minds they take the next logical step and remove all reference and then try to tie anyone's "issues" with the changes as being influenced by the devil or by Anti Mormon sources.
by the way I still have an aunt in her late 80's who still refers to Latin Americans, pacific islanders, and indians as "lamanites" not as a put down but that has been her reality given to her by the church for all of her life.
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So this blows up the "Principal = most important" theory. It's a small defeat for the apologists but it actually ends up helping them in the end. This single sentence was the main stumbling block to their Limited Geography Theory. By making this change official, the actual leadership of the church have given the green light to the apologists and I expect the LGT to be worked into official lesson material, and all references to the hemispheric theory will be phased out.
LOL. Yeah, while most of the apologists will be too dull to get it, the fact that the church made the change precisely the way they did proves without a shadow of a doubt that "principal" did not mearly mean "most significant", but meant exactly what all the chapel Mormons and critics said it meant and what the Internet Mormons secretly knew it meant. Clearly, any apologist who argued that it meant "most important" was in that instance a dirty, low-down, filthy liar, as they well knew.
I can give credit to DCP though. Back on Z, if I remember right, he said that he wouldn't mind seeing that portion of the introduction changed. Perhaps he even had something to do with it. But this was an instance where the guy didn't try to completely twist plain english as many of his fellow apologists did.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
I guess this means David Stewart Jr. (MD) is going to apostatize and start his own church. I can't wait.
The Fourteenth Article of Faith: We believe the Lamanites were the principal (predominant) ancestors of the modern Native Americans, as taught by modern prophets from Joseph Smith Jr. to Spencer W. Kimball. We also believe the Mongolians represent the Lost Tribes of Israel, as attested by their DNA and patriarchal blessings.
"And yet another little spot is smoothed out of the echo chamber wall..." Bond
Apologists have a stronger fall back position now. As long as the critics observe the Geneva Convention and quit eating all those beans, the air in the respective entrenched positions will be a easier to breath.
moksha wrote:Apologists have a stronger fall back position now. As long as the critics observe the Geneva Convention and quit eating all those beans, the air in the respective entrenched positions will be a easier to breath.
Believe it or not, I think it's a good thing that the church adapts to changing information.
SatanWasSetUp wrote:So this blows up the "Principal = most important" theory. It's a small defeat for the apologists but it actually ends up helping them in the end. This single sentence was the main stumbling block to their Limited Geography Theory. By making this change official, the actual leadership of the church have given the green light to the apologists and I expect the LGT to be worked into official lesson material, and all references to the hemispheric theory will be phased out.
Hmm.. Church leadership finally gets it that there is no proof Native americans are descended from Lamanites - evidence that they are inspired!
Oh, I have know doubt this will be spun into a "revelation."
Your wish is my command:
Aurelia Rozella post Today, 08:07 AM Post #2 Newbie: Without form, and void
QUOTE(helix @ Nov 8 2007, 08:03 AM) *
From the SL Trib, http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7403990. The article is not too bad for the SL Trib. Our own Kevin Barney also is quoted as well.
The word change is welcomed by me. While the introduction is not scripture, I am happy to see that the word "principal" has been replaced, so that the phrase reads "and they are among the ancestors of the American Indian".
God is currently revealing many plain and precious truths. He is correcting our misunderstanding of the story of the inhabitants of this continent. We were under the false assumption that Lamanites were pure descendants of Lehi, when in actuality there were other people previously living on the Americas.
I thank the Lord for our living Prophet who guides us in these Latter Days.
Good gawd man, when did charity's younger sister start posting?