harmony wrote:[...] just ask what happened to the women who spurned Joseph's advances. They were held up to public ridicule and lies were circulated about them.
Reference (if you have one handy)? This is one of the areas I haven't delved into much (if at all). The social/governmental aspects of the history of Mormonism has been my main focus as of late (although my recent re-read of Schindler’s OPR Biography [taking the time to actually read the footnotes this time] has me delving into some of the more “colorful” aspects, but it hasn’t taken me into the polyandrous realm yet).
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
thestyleguy wrote:Ah! the old tuant and make fun of him trick. He should have known. Just look at the way the saints treated those they did'New Testament like in the early LDS church.
By "early LDS Church" are you speaking of Nauvoo, Kirtland, Palmyra, Far West, Council Bluffs, or SLC? That tends to make a bit of difference, in my opinion... well at least to some that is.
Joseph Smith would disparge anyone who went against his human desires. I can't remember the person but in the book In Sacred Lonliness - there is one woman who said he would'New Testament even look at her or acknowledge her presense after she turned him down. I guess she thought an adulterous affair was wrong. I'm pretty sure she later gave in. But I can't remember where but the rumor machine was the way the saints got rid of the people they did'New Testament like even if the rumor was being put to death.
harmony wrote:[...] just ask what happened to the women who spurned Joseph's advances. They were held up to public ridicule and lies were circulated about them.
Reference (if you have one handy)? This is one of the areas I haven't delved into much (if at all). The social/governmental aspects of the history of Mormonism has been my main focus as of late (although my recent re-read of Schindler’s OPR Biography [taking the time to actually read the footnotes this time] has me delving into some of the more “colorful” aspects, but it hasn’t taken me into the polyandrous realm yet).
Ask Beastie. She's got the links and references. One of the women who spurned him was publically pilloried as a whore.
Martha Brotherton was called a whore from her mother's breast in the church-controlled newspaper after she rejected the advances of BY. Other women were maligned by rumors being spread about them being adulterous with other men. I'll have to come back later with sources, I'm in a rush to get dinner together for company now.
by the way, to me, one of the most sickening parts of the Brotherton story is that BY went ahead and had her sealed to him after her death. Shows how much he respected her own desires.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
beastie wrote:Martha Brotherton was called a whore from her mother's breast in the church-controlled newspaper after she rejected the advances of BY. Other women were maligned by rumors being spread about them being adulterous with other men. I'll have to come back later with sources, I'm in a rush to get dinner together for company now.
by the way, to me, one of the most sickening parts of the Brotherton story is that BY went ahead and had her sealed to him after her death. Shows how much he respected her own desires.
I seem to recall Nancy Rigdon and Sarah Pratt receiving similar public condemnation for having rejected the Prophet's advances. Will have to look it up. With Sister Pratt, Orson was distraught at what Joseph Smith said about her and as a result lost his place in the 12 for a time.
beastie wrote:Martha Brotherton was called a whore from her mother's breast in the church-controlled newspaper after she rejected the advances of BY. Other women were maligned by rumors being spread about them being adulterous with other men. I'll have to come back later with sources, I'm in a rush to get dinner together for company now.
by the way, to me, one of the most sickening parts of the Brotherton story is that BY went ahead and had her sealed to him after her death. Shows how much he respected her own desires.
I seem to recall Nancy Rigdon and Sarah Pratt receiving similar public condemnation for having rejected the Prophet's advances. Will have to look it up. With Sister Pratt, Orson was distraught at what Joseph Smith said about her and as a result lost his place in the 12 for a time.
For clarification, is the bolded/underlined BY or Joseph Smith?
Thank you Runtu and beastie. I wouldn't worry about tracking down sources. Names are enough for me (for now).
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
Back on track, I have it on good word that Steuss was Momus.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
beastie wrote:Martha Brotherton was called a whore from her mother's breast in the church-controlled newspaper after she rejected the advances of BY. Other women were maligned by rumors being spread about them being adulterous with other men. I'll have to come back later with sources, I'm in a rush to get dinner together for company now.
by the way, to me, one of the most sickening parts of the Brotherton story is that BY went ahead and had her sealed to him after her death. Shows how much he respected her own desires.
I seem to recall Nancy Rigdon and Sarah Pratt receiving similar public condemnation for having rejected the Prophet's advances. Will have to look it up. With Sister Pratt, Orson was distraught at what Joseph Smith said about her and as a result lost his place in the 12 for a time.
For clarification, is the bolded/underlined BY or Joseph Smith?
Thank you Runtu and beastie. I wouldn't worry about tracking down sources. Names are enough for me (for now).
It's Joseph Smith. Nancy Rigdon was the one he cornered in a locked office; when she said she needed time to think about it, he wrote the famous "whatever God requires of us is right, no matter what it is" letter.