Charity, how is LDS right and FLDS, Strangites, RLDS, wrong?

[_charity]

dartagnan: "I just did. He didn't answer. What's the problem now?

Sethbag: "You didn't do it right. Keep doing it until you get the right answer.

beastie #1: "Actually, based on my past interactions with Charity, I think she would think that "keep doing it" (which I did for over a year) would constitute annoying nagging, and kevin should, instead, live his life as if he knows it's true, and one day the answer will come.

Polygamy Porter: "Shave your palms first." "So then, how do you account for folks in these other sects who have the same feelings from god about their faith, the same witness that you received concerning your faith in LDS? How do you decide that your witness is divine and theirs is not?"

beastie #2: "This is very true. I listened to the testimony of a woman associated with some polygamous group in Utah, and it was striking how much it sounded just like an LDS testimony."

To dartagnan: I don't know what your problem with God is. If I were to venture a guess, only a guess, I could suggest He might be mad at you for calling His prophet a fraud.

To sethbag: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

To beastie #1: People should live what they know is true. Then they will be given more light and knowledge. Anyone who is having twinges that he isn't living up to that light, should do some serious introspectiong. I think there is scriptural basis for believing that God will only hold us accountable for what we know is true.

To Polygamy Porter: I am not going to speculate on other people's experience. The Holy Ghost witnesses to truth. God loves all His children, LDS and non-LDS. But you think that people are having false spiritual experiences. I will just remind you, there are two forces in the world. You figure it out.

To beastie 2: If you think this was a false witness, please refer to the comment above. And if you wonder how a false spiritual experience can sound like a true spiritual experience, just remember who is the Father of Lies. Lies aren't really very effective if they are unbelievable. The best liars are very convincing.

Please note all of you: I am not making any assumptions about any one's behavior or experience. When asked I speculated. And I always asked you for your opinion about what you thought the experience was. If you are coming to conclusions about anyone's experience or witness or anything else, you are doing it. Not me.

[_Polygamy Porter]

To Polygamy Porter: I am not going to speculate on other people's experience. The Holy Ghost witnesses to truth. God loves all His children, LDS and non-LDS. But you think that people are having false spiritual experiences. I will just remind you, there are two forces in the world. You figure it out.

I am not thinking that. I asked you a question.

You replied with a vague answer. Two forces eh?

Which force answered your prayer and which one answered the other non-SLC-LDS Mormons prayers?

[_beastie]

To beastie 2: If you think this was a false witness, please refer to the comment above. And if you wonder how a false spiritual experience can sound like a true spiritual experience, just remember who is the Father of Lies. Lies aren't really very effective if they are unbelievable. The best liars are very convincing.

Funny, that's how many people would explain YOUR testimony.

To sethbag: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

That's certainly not what you told me on MAD. I shared my story, which includes the fact that I "tried, tried" again for a long time. Never received an affirmative answer. You told me that my problem was I should have prayed ONCE and then lived faithfully, waiting patiently for an answer.

I remember this very specifically, because it was a first. I'd never had an LDS tell me I was asking God too much. Usually LDS tell me I did it wrong somehow. LDS are big on revelation, but only when it works in their favor.

[_Polygamy Porter]

To beastie 2: If you think this was a false witness, please refer to the comment above. And if you wonder how a false spiritual experience can sound like a true spiritual experience, just remember who is the Father of Lies. Lies aren't really very effective if they are unbelievable. The best liars are very convincing.

Funny, that's how many people would explain YOUR testimony.

To sethbag: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

That's certainly not what you told me on MAD. I shared my story, which includes the fact that I "tried, tried" again for a long time. Never received an affirmative answer. You told me that my problem was I should have prayed ONCE and then lived faithfully, waiting patiently for an answer.

I remember this very specifically, because it was a first. I'd never had an LDS tell me I was asking God too much. Usually LDS tell me I did it wrong somehow. LDS are big on revelation, but only when it works in their favor.

Careful beastie, you are backing this cat into a corner, she may be close to her last resort.. lashing out...

[_charity]

To beastie 2: If you think this was a false witness, please refer to the comment above. And if you wonder how a false spiritual experience can sound like a true spiritual experience, just remember who is the Father of Lies. Lies aren't really very effective if they are unbelievable. The best liars are very convincing.

Funny, that's how many people would explain YOUR testimony.

To sethbag: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

That's certainly not what you told me on MAD. I shared my story, which includes the fact that I "tried, tried" again for a long time. Never received an affirmative answer. You told me that my problem was I should have prayed ONCE and then lived faithfully, waiting patiently for an answer.

I remember this very specifically, because it was a first. I'd never had an LDS tell me I was asking God too much. Usually LDS tell me I did it wrong somehow. LDS are big on revelation, but only when it works in their favor.

I understand that people think that about my testimony. I am not accountable to them. Only to God, so it doesn't bother me.

And the reply to sethbag was a joke. Dang. I wish this board had smilies. I hate the little :) thing. Makes the person look like they're drunk.

I said in this post, the important thing is to live the truth you know. I think that applies to what I replied to back on another board. Although I am pretty sure it would have been the FAIR message board, and not MA&D.

[_dartagnan]

To dartagnan: I don't know what your problem with God is. If I were to venture a guess, only a guess, I could suggest He might be mad at you for calling His prophet a fraud.

My problem isn't with God, it is with you and your ridiculous system of "knowing" things that God doesn't really approve.

Thanks for again proving the point that your little brain is able to conjure up any confirmation biased scenario to explain away unpleasant facts. In this case, the fact that people really do ask God and don't get an answer.

And yes, Joseph Smith was a fraud. The evidence proves this. That means he wasn't God's prophet. It means he was a fraud. Your logic is backwards.

[_the road to hana]

To dartagnan: I don't know what your problem with God is. If I were to venture a guess, only a guess, I could suggest He might be mad at you for calling His prophet a fraud.

My problem isn't with God, it is with you and your ridiculous system of "knowing" things that God doesn't really approve.

Thanks for again proving the point that your little brain is able to conjure up any confirmation biased scenario to explain away unpleasant facts. In this case, the fact that people really do ask God and don't get an answer.

And yes, Joseph Smith was a fraud. The evidence proves this. That means he wasn't God's prophet. It means he was a fraud. Your logic is backwards.

Charity, the fact that you are here at all indicates that you are in a search for truth yourself. If Joseph Smith was a fraud, you'd probably rather not know it, because it undermines most of what you believe currently. If the Spirit has whispered to you that that is not the case, you'd probably rather not know if that process was flawed, or your perceptions are incorrect.

But if you are on a quest for truth, and the truth possibly is that your current beliefs are based on incorrect assumptions or misstated facts, then you'd need to realign your beliefs if you got corrected information. If you didn't, you'd be false to yourself.

[_beastie]

I understand that people think that about my testimony. I am not accountable to them. Only to God, so it doesn't bother me.

It doesn't make sense for you to use this reasoning if you realize it can be used against you just as easily. From the outside, it makes you believers look nonsensical. You're all telling yourselves that God has told you the REAL truth, and everyone else who thinks God has told him/her the REAL truth is simply misled or deceived. Can you understand, even in a small way, how ridiculous this makes you all look to ousiders?

And the reply to sethbag was a joke. Dang. I wish this board had smilies. I hate the little :) thing. Makes the person look like they're drunk.

Oh. So then your original reply to me was your real reply? I asked God too many times and annoyed him? I should have asked once and then never asked again, and simply lived my life as if it were true, and sooner or later, in his own time, he would have revealed it to me?

Do you realize that this sounds a lot like you just talk yourself into it? And it certainly isn't part of Moroni's promise.

I said in this post, the important thing is to live the truth you know. I think that applies to what I replied to back on another board. Although I am pretty sure it would have been the FAIR message board, and not MA&D.

I agree with that concept. You should live according to your principles, to do otherwise invites misery and self-loathing.

[_Mercury]

Please explain to us how the Brighamites are correct and the Strangites, FLDS, and RLDS(Coc) have it wrong?

They all share the same origins.

Stragites and RLDS formed after Smith's death, neither believed polygamy was from god.

Brighamites formed after Smith's death and was comprised of those who believed Smith and Young's statements concerning polygamy.

Later, LDS formed after Wilford Woodruff bowed to the demands of the US government.

This left the FLDS as the only lasting organization which follows all of the principles of the founders.

Each of the organizations have similar compelling witnesses and recorded miracles as LDS.

Prove to us that LDS is the only divine restored gospel.

I can't prove it to you. But God can. Just ask Him.

Wow, its that ambiguous to you isn't it? Why is it that there is this love/hate relationship Mormons have with the fundies?

[_charity]

Charity, the fact that you are here at all indicates that you are in a search for truth yourself. If Joseph Smith was a fraud, you'd probably rather not know it, because it undermines most of what you believe currently. If the Spirit has whispered to you that that is not the case, you'd probably rather not know if that process was flawed, or your perceptions are incorrect.

But if you are on a quest for truth, and the truth possibly is that your current beliefs are based on incorrect assumptions or misstated facts, then you'd need to realign your beliefs if you got corrected information. If you didn't, you'd be false to yourself.

Whoa! Major wrong assumption here. It is a correct statement that I am looking for truths. Line upon line is the way we gain our knowledge. But from a message board? You have got to be joking!

Why am I here? I am here to keep myself in touch with the latest in anti-Mormon thought and strategy. Although I haven't seen much except the rehashes.

We can always talk at cross purposes about the witness of the Spirit. But nothing will be gained. Many here say they have never felt such an influence. So we have no common ground to discuss. Others say they thought they did once, but have reevaluted the experience and now put it off as brain chemistry or some other physiological process. But their descriptions, relating their experiences to rock concerts or sappy movies again shows that we have no common ground to discuss this at all.

I understand how people who have not had the same experience cannot understand it. But it is really arrogant for a person to insist that because he/she has not had the experience it doesn't exist.