charity wrote:If we could talk in the temple, you would slap yourself on the forehead like the V-8 commerical guys. And do you recall President Kimball saying that he learned something new each time he went? It only speaks to the complexity and depth of the temple ceremony. And most of us, including me, don't listen all that well.
You might want to study the history of creation dramas.
And what makes you think I haven't? That's why I suggested to Harmony pay close attention to the temple ceremony.
Which version?
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
Oh look, another typical example of the average religious person's feeling of impotence coming out in a "God'll getcha" comment. Do these ever get old?
As the wise Billy Joel once wrote, "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints; the sinners are much more fun... only the good die young." How old did you say you were, charity?
hehe
It is none of your business how old I am. Let's just say I passed the point of dying young decades ago. So I must be one of those sinners wise old Billy would like to laugh with.
A thought just struck me. Since LDS live longer than any other goupr (except for JW or SDA, I can't remember which) what conclusion can we come to there? Of course, there is the promise of honoring your paretns that allows us to live long. Maybe that's why we do. Not because we are sinners. Food for thought.
I guess you really must be one of those sinners.
The only sensible conclusion to come to (assuming a Mormon's life expectancy is indeed longer and that's not just a faith promoting rumor) is that a Mormon's diet likely contributes to longevity, as does avoiding the sound logic of people who disagree with them at all costs (reduces stress, I imagine).
It certainly doesn't have anything to do with following the council of long dead primitive fiction and self-help writers; that's for sure.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
charity wrote: And do you recall President Kimball saying that he learned something new each time he went? It only speaks to the complexity and depth of the temple ceremony.
Or it could be that President Kimball was a slow learner.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
charity wrote:A genetic testing lab just released data that according to DNA testing, Mosiah Hancock and Oliver Buell, the darlings of the polyandry crowd, are definately NOT Joseph Smith's offspring.
charity wrote: And do you recall President Kimball saying that he learned something new each time he went? It only speaks to the complexity and depth of the temple ceremony.
Or it could be that President Kimball was a slow learner.
I found myself after hundreds of times noticing little things in the margins of the film, subtle inflectional differences in the actors. I'm reminded of a scene from Seinfeld:
Elaine: Maybe there's more to Newman than meets the eye.
Jerry: No, there's less.
What fascinates me about the endowment is how Joseph grafted Masonic symbols onto a standard scriptural story that has nothing to do with Masonic symbols.
Here is what LDS Historian Todd Compton (Author of the Book Titled, ‘In Sacred Loneliness.’) wrote concerning Oliver Buell having being a child of Joseph Smith way before this DNA Study came out:
5. One child of Joseph Smith that Brodie regards as proven and that she sensationalizes is Oliver Buell, child of Presendia Huntington Buell (later Smith Kimball) and Norman Buell. As this child was born before the date of Joseph Smith's marriage to Presendia, if we accept him as Joseph's, we would have a clear case of adultery, with a child of Joseph Smith as evidence. If I'd wanted to attack Joseph Smith with an extreme negative bias, I could have accepted and supported Brodie. However, I have repeatedly criticized Brodie's position here -- both in oral presentations and twice in print. [36] Hopefully, the idea that Oliver Buell was Joseph Smith's child will now be laid completely to rest.
As for Mosiah Hancock having been proven through DNA Evidence that he is Not the biological child of Joseph Smith, there is absolutely No surprise there, since LDS Historian Todd Compton does Not list Mosiah Hancock’s Mother Clarissa Reed Hancock as a Plural wife of Joseph Smith. Please Check Out and see: http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/insacred.htm
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter
charity wrote:A genetic testing lab just released data that according to DNA testing, Mosiah Hancock and Oliver Buell, the darlings of the polyandry crowd, are definately NOT Joseph Smith's offspring.
How do you know that? The pool has been diluted so much in the past that you could not POSSIBLY identify ancestry.
Silly girl, tricks are for kids!
Actually it is possible to tell. It is possible to tell even back centuaries because I think it goes through the sex determination chromosome. Especially in males. That is how agnostics can tell that the Lamenites were not Israelites.
Oh, and we temple going LDS know the real way to look at the story of Adam and Eve. But it is easy to miss is you aren't listening for it. And haven't had the opportunity to go a hundreds of times. As a person has had when they are my age. You might listen next time you are there with your new temple recommend.
Wow, that was a snotty thing to say.
I'm trying to think. For 4 years in Utah I went once a week. That's somewhere about 200 times. Before that, I had gone at least monthly for about 12 years, so that's another 144 times or so. When we moved to Houston I went monthly for 3 years and weekly for two years, so that's 36 plus 104.
200+144+36+104 = 484 times.
Maybe I wasn't listening. :rolleyes:
If we could talk in the temple, you would slap yourself on the forehead like the V-8 commerical guys. And do you recall President Kimball saying that he learned something new each time he went? It only speaks to the complexity and depth of the temple ceremony. And most of us, including me, don't listen all that well.
There is a line in the introduction to the ceremony that could allow one to consider that the entire story is FIGURATIVE. I suppose one could interpret that to mean that even Adam and Eve are figurative, and not real people, but that would be inconsistent with Mormon teachings.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.