"Is Zoidberg a qualified epidemiologist? No? So her opinion is just as worthless as those of all the ignorant antis who dare to criticise Yale Egyptology PhDs like John Gee, or wonderful scholarly historians like Hugh Nibley. The nerve ... Just read the letters after the names, and you will know all the thinking has been done."
Juliann has envy:
Penis envy and Phd envy
What about Priesthood envy?
Silly girl! Penis envy and Priesthood envy are one and the same!
;)
I know, I just couldn't resist another p-word. :)
So no one's heard of any research on LDS women or older men and their suicide rates as compared to the rest of the population?
I guess it's a little too early to declare the "myth" has self-destructed. In fact, it's being perpetuated by none other than a faithful Latter-Day Saint who also happens to be Utah Attorney General.
What prompted this study? Was this study an attempt to distance the church from high suicide rates in Utah? It is funny because Utah has some good statistics that the church can take credit for - Low alcoholism and drug use, high life expectancy, low tobacco related illnesses, and I know many TBMs do give the church credit for the positive Utah stats, but they can't take the church out of the equation for the negative stats. You have to take the bad with the good. Besides, even if the stats are skewed by angry apostates, anti-mormons, and depressed inactives, aren't those people a by-product of the church? They are among the church's fruits.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
I've just become interested in the emotion of "sadness," and it has been called to my attention that some cultures, Buddhist, for example, have an interesting view that sadness can be a positive thing. A healthy, appropriate thing in certain circumstances and ways. Does anyone have any insights on that concept?
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
SatanWasSetUp wrote:What prompted this study? Was this study an attempt to distance the church from high suicide rates in Utah? It is funny because Utah has some good statistics that the church can take credit for - Low alcoholism and drug use, high life expectancy, low tobacco related illnesses, and I know many TBMs do give the church credit for the positive Utah stats, but they can't take the church out of the equation for the negative stats. You have to take the bad with the good. Besides, even if the stats are skewed by angry apostates, anti-mormons, and depressed inactives, aren't those people a by-product of the church? They are among the church's fruits.
The Church likely says that those damn angry apostates, anti-mormons and depressed inactives, are the ones taking all the anti-depressents and making Utah look bad.
thestyleguy wrote:The Church likely says that those damn angry apostates, anti-mormons and depressed inactives, are the ones taking all the anti-depressents and making Utah look bad.
I haven't seen "the Church" say that, and I certainly wouldn't say it.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
thestyleguy wrote:The Church likely says that those damn angry apostates, anti-mormons and depressed inactives, are the ones taking all the anti-depressents and making Utah look bad.
I haven't seen "the Church" say that, and I certainly wouldn't say it.
actually you are right: they deny there is a problem all together -
thestyleguy wrote:The Church likely says that those damn angry apostates, anti-mormons and depressed inactives, are the ones taking all the anti-depressents and making Utah look bad.
I haven't seen "the Church" say that, and I certainly wouldn't say it.
actually you are right: they deny there is a problem all together -
I haven't seen "the Church" deny anything about suicide. I also think you're pigeonholing the issue in a highly insensitive way; you appear more interested in "Church bad" than "Suicide sad." That doesn't mean you are, but your stated opinions here lead to that conclusion.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
LifeOnaPlate wrote: I haven't seen "the Church" deny anything about suicide. I also think you're pigeonholing the issue in a highly insensitive way; you appear more interested in "Church bad" than "Suicide sad." That doesn't mean you are, but your stated opinions here lead to that conclusion.
That's because "church bad" is easy and obvious. ;)
Duwayne Anderson gave a great talk at a past exmos conference called "Lies, Damn Lies" that deals with this suicide statistic. I highly recommend it; you can download it for free at the exmormon foundation website. He pointed out that if the uber-high Utah suicide rates are all the non-Mormons' fault, then the obvious question we have to ask ourselves is "what is it about Utah that drives so many non-Mormons to kill themselves?" A poignant question, indeed. Hint: it's probably not the weather.