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_the road to hana
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charity wrote:The Church would have no ability or inclination to run the government.


History would argue otherwise.
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I agree with Kevin. I used to tease staunch LDS on ZLMB that I'm now where FARMS will be in twenty years. I disbelieve GBH today. The half life of the Prophet's teachings is very short.
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richardMdBorn wrote:I agree with Kevin. I used to tease staunch LDS on ZLMB that I'm now where FARMS will be in twenty years. I disbelieve GBH today. The half life of the Prophet's teachings is very short.


Just remember that you can only disbelieve a dead prophet, not the living one. 50 years from now, when GBH is dead, his "one earring" rule will be personal opinion, as will his "I don't know that we teach that" statement.
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One change I have noticed taking place over the past few years is that some church leaders and members are acknowledging the genetic component in homosexuality. As a youth, we were taught that god would never put a womens spirit in a mans body, implying that gays are not born that way. That line of thinking placed the blame of "perverse choice" on the individual. This misconception also validated some aversion therapy methods such as shock treatment.

This topic may not exactly fit into a specific doctrine that has changed, but shows that much of the time it is science that provides "inspiration", rather than the priesthood.
I don't expect to see same-sex marriage in Utah within my lifetime. - Scott Lloyd, Oct 23 2013
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Maxrep wrote:One change I have noticed taking place over the past few years is that some church leaders and members are acknowledging the genetic component in homosexuality. As a youth, we were taught that god would never put a womens spirit in a mans body, implying that gays are not born that way. That line of thinking placed the blame of "perverse choice" on the individual. This misconception also validated some aversion therapy methods such as shock treatment.

This topic may not exactly fit into a specific doctrine that has changed, but shows that much of the time it is science that provides "inspiration", rather than the priesthood.


Yep, President Kimball said that it was "blasphemous" to suggest that homosexuality was biological. If I recall correctly, Dallin Oaks acknowledged a couple of years ago that biology may play a role. Baby steps.
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Yong Xi wrote:Ok. How does this solve the smog problem in China?


The human component of smog is the reckless overuse of fossil fuel burning vehicles. According to statemaster.com the top six states in carpoooling are:

#1 Hawaii
#2 Arizona
#3 Alaska
#4 Utah
#5 Idaho
#6 Wyoming

The states with the highest percentage of LDS are:

Utah
Idaho
Wyoming
Nevada
Arizona
Montana
Hawaii

Do you notice the parallels?

I am not saying that being a member of the Church encourages carpooling. But we are taught that the earth ours, and to treat it with respect.
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Runtu wrote:
Maxrep wrote:One change I have noticed taking place over the past few years is that some church leaders and members are acknowledging the genetic component in homosexuality. As a youth, we were taught that god would never put a womens spirit in a mans body, implying that gays are not born that way. That line of thinking placed the blame of "perverse choice" on the individual. This misconception also validated some aversion therapy methods such as shock treatment.

This topic may not exactly fit into a specific doctrine that has changed, but shows that much of the time it is science that provides "inspiration", rather than the priesthood.


Baby steps.


I'm beginning to believe that its Doctor Leo Marvin at the healm! :)
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Maxrep wrote:
Runtu wrote:
Maxrep wrote:One change I have noticed taking place over the past few years is that some church leaders and members are acknowledging the genetic component in homosexuality. As a youth, we were taught that god would never put a womens spirit in a mans body, implying that gays are not born that way. That line of thinking placed the blame of "perverse choice" on the individual. This misconception also validated some aversion therapy methods such as shock treatment.

This topic may not exactly fit into a specific doctrine that has changed, but shows that much of the time it is science that provides "inspiration", rather than the priesthood.


Baby steps.


I'm beginning to believe that its Doctor Leo Marvin at the healm! :)


Is DCP afraid his bladder is going to explode?
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charity wrote:
Yong Xi wrote:Ok. How does this solve the smog problem in China?


The human component of smog is the reckless overuse of fossil fuel burning vehicles. According to statemaster.com the top six states in carpoooling are:

#1 Hawaii
#2 Arizona
#3 Alaska
#4 Utah
#5 Idaho
#6 Wyoming

The states with the highest percentage of LDS are:

Utah
Idaho
Wyoming
Nevada
Arizona
Montana
Hawaii

Do you notice the parallels?

I am not saying that being a member of the Church encourages carpooling. But we are taught that the earth ours, and to treat it with respect.


Yes, I noticed the parallels. They are all western states.

So, you're gospel centered solution to get rid of smog in China is carpooling? Have you ever been to Shanghai, Beijing, or Guangzhou? 1.3 billion Mormons carpooling in China? That's alot of minivans and Suburbans.

by the way, most (by far) of the smog problem in China is caused by industry, not automobiles. How is the gospel going to solve that? Can you get specific, please?

Yong Xi
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charity wrote:
Yong Xi wrote:Ok. How does this solve the smog problem in China?




#1 Hawaii
#2 Arizona
#3 Alaska
#4 Utah
#5 Idaho
#6 Wyoming

The states with the highest percentage of LDS are:

Utah
Idaho
Wyoming
Nevada
Arizona
Montana
Hawaii

Do you notice the parallels?



Yes, the lists follow a chiasmatic pattern!
I don't expect to see same-sex marriage in Utah within my lifetime. - Scott Lloyd, Oct 23 2013
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