Mormonism's accomodating nature

[Guest]

by the way, most (by far) of the smog problem in China is caused by industry, not automobiles. How is the gospel going to solve that? Can you get specific, please?

Yong Xi

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches us to be good stewards. There are many opportunities.

edited to take out snarky reply to a snarky post.

One way to cut down on 1/7th of the pollution from industry is to shut the factories down on Sunday. All kinds of savings in energy, travel,eet. for people only going to Church, but not shopping, entertainments, etc.

How's that?

[_Runtu]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches us to be good stewards. There are many opportunities. Figure it out.

Too bad that good stewardship is rarely put into practice.

[_ludwigm]

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"And individual members can have ideas which are not correct."
Prophets can not have ideas which are not correct. OK. Those ideas are private opinions only.

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To answer your "ideas which are not correct" thing. All men are fallible and all men can have opinions which are not correct. Prophets, too. Have you heard that little statement: "Catholics believe their pope is infallible, but treat him like he isn't. Mormons believe their prophet is not infallible, but treat him like he is." Which is why we are told to seek our spiritual confirmation of everything.
It is a time consuming proecess, and many people don't go through the work involved. But they should. And they should be in a spiritual condition continually that the Holy Ghost can witness to them when they are hearing the truth.

Fine.
After six year of "investigation", after seeking my spiritual confirmation, the Holy Ghost witnessed to me that I am not hearing the truth. Then, I have became a less active investigator.

One thing about "we are told to seek our spiritual confirmation of everything".
Show me ONE case, when ONE member has found the spiritual confirmation: I am not hearing the truth (and has said: this prophet, apostle, GA, president of any level is not right in this case) and after this he/she
- wasn't excommunicated
- hasn't leave
One case, please.

[_guy sajer]

Ok. How does this solve the smog problem in China?

The human component of smog is the reckless overuse of fossil fuel burning vehicles. According to statemaster.com the top six states in carpoooling are:

#1 Hawaii
#2 Arizona
#3 Alaska
#4 Utah
#5 Idaho
#6 Wyoming

The states with the highest percentage of LDS are:

Utah
Idaho
Wyoming
Nevada
Arizona
Montana
Hawaii

Do you notice the parallels?

I am not saying that being a member of the Church encourages carpooling. But we are taught that the earth ours, and to treat it with respect.

And this sort of slap-dash argument from someone who only a few days ago was lecturing us on the difference between correlation and causation.

What's the saying about taking the beam out of one's own eye, or something like that?

Uh, I’d bet my bottom dollar that the “causal” explanation for the high car pooling rate among Mormons (to the extent it exists) is something other than a concern for the environment.

Certainly, in my experience, Mormons in North America are, generally, suspicious and even hostile toward environmentalism, having hitched their wagon so firmly to the conservative political ideology.

Any lessons about treating the earth with respect in North American Mormonism (and they are very rare indeed) are overwhelmed by the rather strident political conservatism that dominates its culture.

Charity, as this example here shows, you are totally unqualified to lecture any of us about empirical research methodology.

[_truth dancer]

This has to be one of the funniest threads on any LDS message board ever!

Here we go...

The Church's solution to the world's polluted air problem is to stop working on Sunday (I'm guessing sports stars, hotel owners, the rich and famous get a break here), and carpooling.

No need for new continual revelation because we already have the answers to all the world's problems!

Wow!

If God is interested in helping humankind, if God cares about number of earrings, fancy malls, and tatoos, and THIS is His answer for the world's air problems, well we are SERIOUSLY in trouble!

:-)

~dancer~

[_Yong Xi]

by the way, most (by far) of the smog problem in China is caused by industry, not automobiles. How is the gospel going to solve that? Can you get specific, please?

Yong Xi

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches us to be good stewards. There are many opportunities.

edited to take out snarky reply to a snarky post.

One way to cut down on 1/7th of the pollution from industry is to shut the factories down on Sunday. All kinds of savings in energy, travel,eet. for people only going to Church, but not shopping, entertainments, etc.

How's that?

I was going to ask you to apply LDS Gospel practices to cleaning the water supply or perhaps feeding the world's poor. However, your ability to understand complex issues puts me at a disadvantage. (Yong Xi give up, smack head against wall. Smog induced toxin-laced blood run down face. Yong Xi prefer chinese water torture.)

[_the road to hana]

(Yong Xi give up, smack head against wall. Smog induced toxin-laced blood run down face. Yong Xi prefer chinese water torture.)

Not to be confused with Charity's V-8 smack against the head. :insert smiley of your choice here:

[_charity]

One thing about "we are told to seek our spiritual confirmation of everything".
Show me ONE case, when ONE member has found the spiritual confirmation: I am not hearing the truth (and has said: this prophet, apostle, GA, president of any level is not right in this case) and after this he/she
- wasn't excommunicated
- hasn't leave
One case, please.

The Spirit does not testify to falsehood. The Spirit testifies to truth. So a person will never get a witness from the Spirit that says "this is not true."

[_charity]

Ok. How does this solve the smog problem in China?

The human component of smog is the reckless overuse of fossil fuel burning vehicles. According to statemaster.com the top six states in carpoooling are:

#1 Hawaii
#2 Arizona
#3 Alaska
#4 Utah
#5 Idaho
#6 Wyoming

The states with the highest percentage of LDS are:

Utah
Idaho
Wyoming
Nevada
Arizona
Montana
Hawaii

Do you notice the parallels?

I am not saying that being a member of the Church encourages carpooling. But we are taught that the earth ours, and to treat it with respect.

And this sort of slap-dash argument from someone who only a few days ago was lecturing us on the difference between correlation and causation.

What's the saying about taking the beam out of one's own eye, or something like that?

Uh, I’d bet my bottom dollar that the “causal” explanation for the high car pooling rate among Mormons (to the extent it exists) is something other than a concern for the environment.

Certainly, in my experience, Mormons in North America are, generally, suspicious and even hostile toward environmentalism, having hitched their wagon so firmly to the conservative political ideology.

Any lessons about treating the earth with respect in North American Mormonism (and they are very rare indeed) are overwhelmed by the rather strident political conservatism that dominates its culture.

Charity, as this example here shows, you are totally unqualified to lecture any of us about empirical research methodology.

Oh, give it a break. It sure seems that critics are selective readers. My post said to notice the CORRELATION. Then I specifically stated, I WAS NOT saying there was a causation. Please read the whole post before you take a potshot.

[_the road to hana]

The Spirit does not testify to falsehood. The Spirit testifies to truth. So a person will never get a witness from the Spirit that says "this is not true."

According to whom, exactly?

Did the Spirit tell you that? Or a man claiming to speak on behalf of the same?

Joseph Smith claimed to have been told, indeed, that certain things were "not true," when he asked about them. Was he wrong to ask?