Thinking it's time to resign

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Some Schmo wrote:Well, you know, this kind of shoddy follow-up is exactly the kind of crap that makes people hate the church so much. If they are really in the business of trying to attract members, doesn't it make sense that they'd do their best to make positive experiences with church representation? It's one thing to make people indifferent toward the church. It's quite another to actively piss people off.

But then again, I've never really considered the church to be in great supply of common sense.


Some members really feel like they ought to keep as many people as possible on the rolls in case the future ends up bringing them back. I took a different attitude, that it was better to just have their names removed than to keep having missionaries and others bother them, and subject the missionaries to unpleasant doorstep encounters.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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It's a tough spot to be in, Runtu. All I can do is offer you a laugh. Hopefully you can't relate at all ;)

Testimony Equals Sex in Orem Marriage
By Paul Browning

OREM, UT Local couple Nathan and Brittney McAllister have found an unlikely factor in their marital intimacy: Nathan's testimony. After nine years of happy marriage, it was discovered that the church was playing a larger role in their lives than anyone previously knew.

Last year, Nathan sat down and had a serious talk with his wife, admitting he didn't think he believed a lot of LDS doctrine to be factual. "Ever since I told my wife I was unsure about the church, she's been pretty cold," said McAllister. The couple had been copulating weekly, on average, with both of them "generally satisfied" with the other's performance. Now, McAllister says the two are intimate "about once a month, and even then the sex has a sick tension."

His wife Brittney said, "It affected me deeply to have the priesthood holder in my home question the church. His study of alternative beliefs and worldly trash is like a personal attack on me."

Nathan's belief in the church of his upbringing began to shake after his mission, when he attended BYU. "I saw a lot of weird teachings there," reports Nathan. "Each teacher had his own doctrine, and when I asked questions that weren't in the manual, the teacher would tell me to pray about it." Nathan's doubts included blacks and the priesthood, Brigham Young's teachings, and "blatantly racist" remarks made by the prophet Ezra Taft Benson. The deeper into the scriptures and conference talks he would go, the more confused he would get. He would even ask old seminary teachers, friends, and coworkers for answers, to no avail. With the arrival of the Internet, Nathan took his search for truth online. Now Nathan feels that many of the basic beliefs he held true for so many years are based on inconsistencies and lies.

"If Nathan would only read the scriptures and pray, the Holy Ghost would answer him," Brittney says. She claims that while he is a good husband and father, he would be a more attractive man if he continued to share her beliefs in Mormonism.

Strangely enough, his disbelief in the church has not prevented him from continuing to be a model member. His home teaching remains at a solid 90 percent, and he has held several callings, including Sunday school teacher. "You can always count on Brother McAllister to be there if we need volunteers," stated his bishop, Lloyd Rivera. "He participates in priesthood class and is a fully active member of our ward."

Nathan says, "I wish my own member were as active. Once, after a fast and testimony meeting, we were in bed, and I started rubbing her shoulder. She said, "Is Joseph Smith a true prophet?" and I didn't have the right answer. She rolled over and made light snoring sounds."

Brittney confirms her loss of interest that night. "I have borne my testimony to him that the church is true and that he will get his crazy bumpin' nasty freak on once he testifies of the same truth." In fact, Brittney has allowed Nathan to briefly see some lingerie she recently purchased. She calls them her "faith-promoters" and says he will see them again when he throws away The Essence of Zen, a book of Buddhist teachings.

Dr. Bruce P. Alexander, a marriage and sex therapist, maintains that testimony and sex are closely related in Mormon marriages. He recommends that men, especially, make sure they have a strong testimony if they want to please their wives. "A study completed last year shows that women who are married to men with strong testimonies report 67 percent more pleasure in bed. The link between spirituality and staying power is surprisingly strong."

Nathan says he doesn't doubt those numbers. He reports that, at times, their intimacy will improve after Nathan attends a priesthood service activity or reads scriptures with his three kids. However, "until Nathan feels he is sufficiently confident to baptize his daughter, their level of sexual activity will continue to drop," claims LDS family therapist R. Gene Duncan. "The trust level is no longer there with Nathan and Brittney."

Nathan has three years until his daughter turns eight. Until then, he says he will continue to serve his wife's church and try to find a resolution to his doubts.


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cinepro wrote:From the Sugar Beet, no longer online.


Ah, the Sugar Beet. Perfecting lightmindedness!
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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cinepro wrote:It's a tough spot to be in, Runtu. All I can do is offer you a laugh. Hopefully you can't relate at all ;)

Testimony Equals Sex in Orem Marriage
By Paul Browning

OREM, UT Local couple Nathan and Brittney McAllister have found an unlikely factor in their marital intimacy: Nathan's testimony. After nine years of happy marriage, it was discovered that the church was playing a larger role in their lives than anyone previously knew.

Last year, Nathan sat down and had a serious talk with his wife, admitting he didn't think he believed a lot of LDS doctrine to be factual. "Ever since I told my wife I was unsure about the church, she's been pretty cold," said McAllister. The couple had been copulating weekly, on average, with both of them "generally satisfied" with the other's performance. Now, McAllister says the two are intimate "about once a month, and even then the sex has a sick tension."

His wife Brittney said, "It affected me deeply to have the priesthood holder in my home question the church. His study of alternative beliefs and worldly trash is like a personal attack on me."

Nathan's belief in the church of his upbringing began to shake after his mission, when he attended BYU. "I saw a lot of weird teachings there," reports Nathan. "Each teacher had his own doctrine, and when I asked questions that weren't in the manual, the teacher would tell me to pray about it." Nathan's doubts included blacks and the priesthood, Brigham Young's teachings, and "blatantly racist" remarks made by the prophet Ezra Taft Benson. The deeper into the scriptures and conference talks he would go, the more confused he would get. He would even ask old seminary teachers, friends, and coworkers for answers, to no avail. With the arrival of the Internet, Nathan took his search for truth online. Now Nathan feels that many of the basic beliefs he held true for so many years are based on inconsistencies and lies.

"If Nathan would only read the scriptures and pray, the Holy Ghost would answer him," Brittney says. She claims that while he is a good husband and father, he would be a more attractive man if he continued to share her beliefs in Mormonism.

Strangely enough, his disbelief in the church has not prevented him from continuing to be a model member. His home teaching remains at a solid 90 percent, and he has held several callings, including Sunday school teacher. "You can always count on Brother McAllister to be there if we need volunteers," stated his bishop, Lloyd Rivera. "He participates in priesthood class and is a fully active member of our ward."

Nathan says, "I wish my own member were as active. Once, after a fast and testimony meeting, we were in bed, and I started rubbing her shoulder. She said, "Is Joseph Smith a true prophet?" and I didn't have the right answer. She rolled over and made light snoring sounds."

Brittney confirms her loss of interest that night. "I have borne my testimony to him that the church is true and that he will get his crazy bumpin' nasty freak on once he testifies of the same truth." In fact, Brittney has allowed Nathan to briefly see some lingerie she recently purchased. She calls them her "faith-promoters" and says he will see them again when he throws away The Essence of Zen, a book of Buddhist teachings.

Dr. Bruce P. Alexander, a marriage and sex therapist, maintains that testimony and sex are closely related in Mormon marriages. He recommends that men, especially, make sure they have a strong testimony if they want to please their wives. "A study completed last year shows that women who are married to men with strong testimonies report 67 percent more pleasure in bed. The link between spirituality and staying power is surprisingly strong."

Nathan says he doesn't doubt those numbers. He reports that, at times, their intimacy will improve after Nathan attends a priesthood service activity or reads scriptures with his three kids. However, "until Nathan feels he is sufficiently confident to baptize his daughter, their level of sexual activity will continue to drop," claims LDS family therapist R. Gene Duncan. "The trust level is no longer there with Nathan and Brittney."

Nathan has three years until his daughter turns eight. Until then, he says he will continue to serve his wife's church and try to find a resolution to his doubts.


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Wow, that is more true than you know!
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"he wishes his own member were more active"

ROFL! Good stuff, man.
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Post by _guy sajer »

truth dancer wrote: I do not quite understand...

Why would a Bishop call someone who doesn't believe to a calling?



That's easy. Keep them engaged and hope that it helps produce a change of heart. Perhaps some even believe the faith promoting stories about people who have been reactivated or reconverted because some forward thinking Bishop gave them a calling.
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although I shouldn't give them ideas, I think the church should create a small machine that could be placed in a small metal briefcase that can shoot a Book of Mormon five hundred yards at 100 yards per second - they can plant a fifty cent piece on the ground and when the - I need to write the letter tonight- member bends over to pick it up - wham - it comes out of no where....... sort of like the elders dropping the Book of Mormon from a rooftop.
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Post by _beastie »

No one can tell you what to do, or what the most ethical choice is. You know this. Don't listen to a ridiculous internet bully like Bob, or let his comments bother you in the least. He is a pathetic excuse for a human being. If he had an ounce of dignity or compassion, he would not have targeted you the way he did in the first place. He is a true believer whose concern is only for protecting his own fragile ego, deeply enmeshed within Mormonism, and that is his first and only priority, above human decency.
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Post by _Runtu »

Honest, it wasn't Bob. He just got me thinking about things, and that's where I ended up yesterday, ready to resign, damn the consequences. I'm thinking a little clearer today.
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I'm glad to hear that.
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