Problems with Micromanagement in the Church

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Problems with Micromanagement in the Church

Post by _Mister Scratch »

Over on the aptly named MADboard, an interesting thread was begun by the poster named "Connoly":

Connoly wrote:Some of my coworkers were talking about a letter that was apparently read in at least some Utah County wards yesterday regarding certain improper Sacrament Meeting practices that had crept into some areas and that the letter instructed the leaders to discontinue those practices.

Was a letter like that read in your ward? Either we didn't get one or the bishop elected not to read the letter or at least not read it at that time, or this was a case of a past letter being re-itterated in some places because If I recall correctly some of these things have been discouraged in the past.

From what I understand some of the depricated practices are:

* Organized dismissal from Sacrament meeting (eg row by row or by age, etc).
* Ward break-fasts on Fast Sunday
* Allowing singing [individual] in lieu of bearing a testimony during fast and testimony meeting
* Music only sacrament meetings where members pick their favorite hymn and the congregation sings for the remainder of the time (this is something that my ward has done twice this year).


Was there a new letter?


I think it's very interesting to read between the lines here. If this letter is/was legitimate, then we have to assume that some "rogue" bishops have really been treating their congregations in some disquieting ways. I.e., is it really necessary to dismiss adult members row by row? Further, it is intriguing that the Brethren would demand that Sacrament Meeting include material in addition to music. I mean, theoretically, shouldn't hymns contain (at minimum) all of the same basic messages about the Gospel as the typical hastily prepared talk?

I think what the letter suggests, above all, is a kind of back-and-forth, behind the scenes kind of battle, where the Brethren and other Church leaders are trying to determine just how much authoritarian control they will be able to get away with. In either case, I thought this was intriguing. Perhaps further intriguing were the TBMs' reaction to the posting. Most of them seemed to generally approve, and feel that things such as "sung testimonies" ought to be prohibited.
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Wow, we haven't seen this kind of apostolic strongarming since the threat to take missionary calls away from those whose families honor them with an Open House after church.

I'll bet the Brethren really felt big after sending this one out.
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Gadianton wrote:Wow, we haven't seen this kind of apostolic strongarming since the threat to take missionary calls away from those whose families honor them with an Open House after church.

I'll bet the Brethren really felt big after sending this one out.


just change the name from open house to stag party and it shoudn't be a problem.
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Post by _LifeOnaPlate »

Gadianton wrote:
I'll bet the Brethren really felt big after sending this one out.


If only the source could be verified. Then you could have some more fun, I'm sure.
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Post by _charity »

It wasn't read in my ward. Maybe because we didn't need it. Maybe some other wards did.

This is a good example, though, of how the apostacies happen. One little thing at a time. One little step off the path, and then another, then another.
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charity wrote:It wasn't read in my ward. Maybe because we didn't need it. Maybe some other wards did.

This is a good example, though, of how the apostacies happen. One little thing at a time. One little step off the path, and then another, then another.


You mean like changing the introduction to the Book of Mormon?
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Post by _beastie »

Yeah. Having a break-fast leads to apostasy, but erroneous teachings from the prophet regarding issues such as the nature of God won't.
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Post by _asbestosman »

Gadianton wrote:You mean like changing the introduction to the Book of Mormon?


Nope, because those changes came down from the top (or so I thought I heard).
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Post by _Trinity »

I remember when our ward used to do this, dismiss people row by row! It was when we first went to the block schedule and would go directly from Sacrament to Sunday School.

The spanish and polynesian wards in Salt Lake City always used to have a breakfast or a potluck on Sunday. They had, by far, the best attendance rates in our stake.
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Post by _Pokatator »

Wow, such egregious behavior. Ranks right up there with, "Thou shalt not kill", I think.

I hope they get this squelched soon or we may have members

getting tatoos, piercings, blatant abuse of little factories, maybe laughter,

and heaven forbid someone might start clapping to the music.

We can't have worshiping God be fun or a joy now can we?
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