What is LIfe After Death Like?

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_truth dancer
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hi Charity...

This is a serious question: What if your idea of what you absolutely have to have to be happy, conflicts with what another person decides they have to have? For isntance, the work of the Celestial Kingdom will be to be engaged continually in bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. And suppose that is what I need to be absolutely happy and I need all my family members to be doing that, too, or else I can't be happy. What happens if there are some of my family who need NOT to be engaged continually. . etc... So, I can't be with them and be happy, but if I force them to do what I want so we can all be together, then they can't be happy.

I think the mercy and love of God has a solution. I just don't know what it is.


I do not even remotely believe in the Heaven/CKHL of Mormonism so this is not a problem at all for me. I'm not in the paradigm! ;-)

I do not think there is any form of primates living on a sphere carrying on like we do here on Earth during this little blip of a time in history.

I have NO idea what is to come and think whatever we can possibly image would not even remotely come close to what is... however, if I had to guess I would say that if there is a God directing this universe, it is quite possible to have an existence where eveyone exists and is united in ultimate goodness/holiness. No need whatsoever to keep this human/primate heaven/hell/CKHL/multiple kingdoms myth going on into eternity.

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Post by _Jersey Girl »

charity wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Hi charity,

Having admitted in a previous post that I'm approaching the brink of insanity, I hope you don't mind my asking you some questions based on the following, written by you:

I have considered this. I have considered the way I feel when my children do things that cause them a lot of pain and hardship. And when I am conteplating that, along with the sorrow for their pain is the awful guilt that maybe I did not teach them correctly and that I am in some measure responsible for their actions.

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no mistakes in raising, no errors in parenting. The eternal justice will be that everyone makes their choices in complete knowledge. I think that must be how our Heavenly Parents handle that.


What choices? Choices between what and what? Doesn't your statement imply a choice where, depending on the choice, the outcome is positive or negative?

How is that perfect?


Choice between being obedient and not being obedient. It all boils down to that one choice. There is only one positive outcome. And that outcome will be the best possible outcome and individual can have. Whatever it is.


What I think you're implying is that in your view/belief, evil and human failing both remain in the Celestial Kingdom, where God Himself dwells.

Okay, no. I don't think I have a reason or desire to continue this line of dialogue.

Thank you for replying to me,
Jersey Girl
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Post by _KimberlyAnn »

I don't know for certain if there's a heaven or not, but the Kendalls say there is and that it's just a sin away. Yee Haw!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w3noVq0gL-8


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Post by _Jersey Girl »

KimberlyAnn wrote:I don't know for certain if there's a heaven or not, but the Kendalls say there is and that it's just a sin away. Yee Haw!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w3noVq0gL-8


KA


I don't mean to drive this off topic but I just have to say, gawd, I hate the Kendalls. Are they still singing? I should have thought the dad would be dead by now. And the daughter...that little bumble bee in a jug voice hurts my ears in a way that words cannot fully describe.
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Post by _The Nehor »

barrelomonkeys wrote:What timing. Laying around last night discussing this very thing. I don't think of life after death as a reality and neither does the man I spoke to last night consider it a reality. His thoughts of life after death were that heaven sounded creepy to him and that he would dread having to go to some sparkly shiny place with harps and angels.

Life after death, for me, would mean that my children live on, my maybe one day grandchildren and that the earth would absorb my decay and use it as it will to continue on the cycle of life. *humming Lion King theme song now*


I've always associated the afterlife more with a different Lion King song: "I Just Can't Wait to be King."

Too many Christians make heaven sound so dull that hell seems great by comparison. If heaven doesn't have great parties and isn't filled with great fun I know the first change I'm going to implement.
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Post by _Gazelam »

Too many Christians make heaven sound so dull that hell seems great by comparison.


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http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/twainlfe.htm#2
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Post by _Some Schmo »

Death is what happens when there is no life left. There is no life after death, otherwise death is meaningless.

So what will it be like? Well, exactly the same as it was before I was born, and what it's like when I'm sleeping dreamless sleep.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
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Sure, Faithful Parents Save Wayward Children.. no problem.

Post by _Inconceivable »

Worth repeating right about here:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... php?t=1742


Here is the third party doctrinal quote currently accepted as scripture:

I believe and accept the comforting statement of Elder Orson F. Whitney:

“The Prophet Joseph Smith declared—and he never taught more comforting doctrine—that the eternal sealings of faithful parents and the divine promises made to them for valiant service in the Cause of Truth, would save not only themselves, but likewise their posterity. Though some of the sheep may wander, the eye of the Shepherd is upon them, and sooner or later they will feel the tentacles of Divine Providence reaching out after them and drawing them back to the fold. Either in this life or the life to come, they will return. They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.”

(Jas. Faust - Conference April 6, 2003)


This has brought much comfort and hope to many LDS families struggling with children of rebellion, addiction and sinfulness of every description.

My mother had quoted this often to me over the years referring to my 3 other siblings, step brother, ex brother in law etc. Now she quotes it in reference to me. This doctrine has given her the warm blanket she needs to keep her from literally dying of a broken heart. She cries less tears of despair and more of joy because of it.

Hey?!

What a strange place this afterlife will be to discover Lehi and Sariah with all of their children, curse lifted from Laman and Lemuel - heirs to the kingdom.

Jacob's son's.. the original wild bunch.

Did Judas have righteous parents? Maybe not. Regardless, it would still have to suck to be him.

Then again, I thought this scripture meant something quite absolute:

32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. 33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

(Book of Mormon | Alma 34:32 - 35)


or is this and the miriad of other verses only refering to those without righteous parents?
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Post by _Mary »

Hi Charity.

I don't know if there really is life after death. If it exists I don't really know what it is like.

I 'think' there might be a contiuation of consciousness, I'm not sure what form that consciousness takes. Thought, will, power...I don't know.

I'd like to think that the afterlife, will be a place of learning and progessing towards loving and good principles. Choice will be there I hope, but also kindness, patience, longsuffering and empathy when less productive choices are made.

I'm not sure if consciousness will be in the form of individuals as it is here, or whether all of us are aspects of the same consciousness and will one day return to the collective!!!

That's my twopennyworth...!!

Take care
Mary
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Post by _Mary »

Hi Charity.

I don't know if there really is life after death. If it exists I don't really know what it is like.

I 'think' there might be a contiuation of consciousness, I'm not sure what form that consciousness takes. Thought, will, power, intelligence...I don't know.

I'd like to think that the afterlife, will be a place of learning and progessing towards loving and good principles. Choice will be there I hope, but also kindness, patience, longsuffering and empathy when less productive choices are made.

I'm not sure if consciousness will be in the form of individuals as it is here, or whether all of us are aspects of the same consciousness and will one day return to the collective!!!

That's my twopennyworth...!!

Take care
Mary
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