Do you really need a "prophet?"
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Do you really need a "prophet?"
I remember as a TBM the testimonies flowing over the gratefulness for a modern day prophet. But even as Hinck has admitted, the doctrine is pretty much set and no grand revelations needed. but my question for the Mormons here, is anything of significance coming down from the prophet? Does Hinckley provide you with something of which there is no substitute, something that without, you can't imagine how you would govern your life from day to day?
If H were to die, and the brethren never got around to filling his place, but just continued running the church in absence of the "prophet" (much like H and M did when Benson was sick), would you come undone in your life? Would you find it difficult to meet the daily challenges of living?
Holding everything else constant, is it really hard at all to imagine your life without the "prophet?"
If H were to die, and the brethren never got around to filling his place, but just continued running the church in absence of the "prophet" (much like H and M did when Benson was sick), would you come undone in your life? Would you find it difficult to meet the daily challenges of living?
Holding everything else constant, is it really hard at all to imagine your life without the "prophet?"
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LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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The Prophet is primarily the chief teacher of the Church and the Revelator if such revelation is needed. The Revelator portion of his job is not used as often as some would like but someone has to be there in case something big comes down....like the big something soon to arrive.
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The Nehor wrote:The Prophet is primarily the chief teacher of the Church and the Revelator if such revelation is needed. The Revelator portion of his job is not used as often as some would like but someone has to be there in case something big comes down....like the big something soon to arrive.
Oooh! Nehor The Prophet? Please do enlighten us Nehor. What big something will be coming down shortly?
Let me just state that I'll be sorely disappointed if it's not something related to leprachauns.
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barrelomonkeys wrote:The Nehor wrote:The Prophet is primarily the chief teacher of the Church and the Revelator if such revelation is needed. The Revelator portion of his job is not used as often as some would like but someone has to be there in case something big comes down....like the big something soon to arrive.
Oooh! Nehor The Prophet? Please do enlighten us Nehor. What big something will be coming down shortly?
Let me just state that I'll be sorely disappointed if it's not something related to leprachauns.
It's bigger than what happened in 1978 ;)
While I know of no way it can effect leprechauns I might not know the whole story.
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Re: Do you really need a "prophet?"
Gadianton wrote:
If H were to die, and the brethren never got around to filling his place, but just continued running the church in absence of the "prophet" (much like H and M did when Benson was sick), would you come undone in your life? Would you find it difficult to meet the daily challenges of living? Holding everything else constant, is it really hard at all to imagine your life without the "prophet?"
The Quorum of the Twelve holds all the keys and is authorized to act, as a Quorum, when the Prophet dies, until another Prophet is ordained. The President of the Quorum would be spokesman for the Church.
I would be comfortable with the Quorum leading the Church. And I think as Nehor said, I look forward to the instruction and advice from the Prophet at conference and in the letters from the First Presidency. And certainly when that really significant thing happens that Nehor and I know about, it is going to be great to have the prophet announce it.
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From todays priesthood lesson:
Since [Joseph Smith’s First Vision] in 1820, additional scripture has continued to come, including the numerous and vital revelations flowing in a never-ending stream from God to his prophets on the earth. Many of these revelations are recorded in another scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants. Completing our Latter-day Saint scriptures is the Pearl of Great Price, another record of revelation and translated writings of both ancient and modern prophets.
There are those who would assume that with the printing and binding of these sacred records, that would be the “end of the prophets.” But again we testify to the world that revelation continues and that the vaults and files of the Church contain these revelations which come month to month and day to day. We testify also that there is, since 1830 when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, and will continue to be, so long as time shall last, a prophet, recognized of God and his people, who will continue to interpret the mind and will of the Lord.
When … , after prayer and fasting, important decisions are made [by Church leaders], new missions and new stakes are created, new patterns and policies initiated, the news is taken for granted and possibly thought of as mere human calculations. But to those who sit in the intimate circles and hear the prayers of the prophet and the testimony of the man of God; to those who see the astuteness of his deliberations and the sagacity of his decisions and pronouncements, to them he is verily a prophet. To hear him conclude important new developments with such solemn expressions as “the Lord is pleased”; “that move is right”; “our Heavenly Father has spoken,” is to know positively.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Re: Do you really need a "prophet?"
charity wrote:And certainly when that really significant thing happens that Nehor and I know about, it is going to be great to have the prophet announce it.
for what it's worth, I would like to add my name to the list of people who know the cool thing that's coming down the prophet pipe.
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Re: Do you really need a "prophet?"
The Dude wrote:charity wrote:And certainly when that really significant thing happens that Nehor and I know about, it is going to be great to have the prophet announce it.
for what it's worth, I would like to add my name to the list of people who know the cool thing that's coming down the prophet pipe.
I knew you were a true believer, who had just gone undercover to ferret out the worst apostate secrets. But I won't blow your cover.
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ok, thanks guys, pretty much what I figured. No one is hanging on the counsel of the prophet, its for the most part, useless. However, it has a "spare tire" aspect that counts for something.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Gadianton wrote:ok, thanks guys, pretty much what I figured. No one is hanging on the counsel of the prophet, its for the most part, useless. However, it has a "spare tire" aspect that counts for something.
Yet for some reason General Conference seems to get very good ratings among members. I don't think it's the gratuitous violence or special effects that keeps them coming back for more.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics
"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo