Do you really need a "prophet?"
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two points, Nehor. 1) During GC, the prophet is not the only one speaking. 2) what i was primarily interested in was the "need" members have for the prophet, the extent to which they hang on his every word and to the extent they'd be lost in life without him. I have no doubt that you and others might possibly like General Conference and Hinckley's speeches. I used to tune into Adam Carolla all the time and liked his show. The station sold out, and I was mildly agitated over it for a day.
So long as the lost Ten Tribes aren't being called back from the lands of the North in your lifetime, as Hinckley is the only one with the keys to do it, it doesn't sound like you and the others have much more of a need for Hinckley personally than I have for entertainers I enjoy.
That's not bad, I was just curious. Growing up, especially when it came to Mormon prayers, it seemed like the prophet was playing a much more active role in peoples day to day lives, so much so, that they couldn't function without him.
So long as the lost Ten Tribes aren't being called back from the lands of the North in your lifetime, as Hinckley is the only one with the keys to do it, it doesn't sound like you and the others have much more of a need for Hinckley personally than I have for entertainers I enjoy.
That's not bad, I was just curious. Growing up, especially when it came to Mormon prayers, it seemed like the prophet was playing a much more active role in peoples day to day lives, so much so, that they couldn't function without him.
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Gadianton wrote:
That's not bad, I was just curious. Growing up, especially when it came to Mormon prayers, it seemed like the prophet was playing a much more active role in peoples day to day lives, so much so, that they couldn't function without him.
Are you practicing lines on us for some anti-Mormon stand up comic gig?
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Re: Do you really need a "prophet?"
charity wrote:The Dude wrote:charity wrote:And certainly when that really significant thing happens that Nehor and I know about, it is going to be great to have the prophet announce it.
for what it's worth, I would like to add my name to the list of people who know the cool thing that's coming down the prophet pipe.
I knew you were a true believer, who had just gone undercover to ferret out the worst apostate secrets. But I won't blow your cover.
Why am I always the last to know these things?
Bigger than the priesthood to blacks thing? One guess would be calling missionaries home, but I doubt that's gonna happen yet. I might guess they'd go to a 2 hr block time, but I don't think that change would be as huge as the priesthood. I might hope for a change to the one-year wait for temple marriage after civil marriage, but I doubt that's happening soon. I suspect that one day women might be ordained as priestesses too, but I do not see that as happening in my lifetime if it ever happens. That would be one few things I'd consider bigger than the priesthood going to blacks (that and calling missionaries back). The most likely changes I see would be temple related, but I do not see one that would be as big as the priesthood going to blacks. I suppose the recent inclusion of small temples was quite significant, but I don't see it as being on par with the priesthood going to blacks. I mean, we're talking about a reversal in policy that was often considered doctrine more or less.
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The prophet exists to provide members with portraits they can hang on their walls, and it gives them something to say at F&T meeting "I know Hinckley is a true prophet." The prophet is also there so that every 6 months he can remind the members of things they already know, basically he reinforces the stuff they've been taught every sunday since their birth. Every now and then the prophet receives revelation, and if the revelation is not considered too weird to mainstream Christianity, the prophet will reveal it to the world (by "world" I mean the world of Mormonism). Also, the prophet is in charge of real estate investments.
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:The prophet exists to provide members with portraits they can hang on their walls, and it gives them something to say at F&T meeting "I know Hinckley is a true prophet." The prophet is also there so that every 6 months he can remind the members of things they already know, basically he reinforces the stuff they've been taught every sunday since their birth. Every now and then the prophet receives revelation, and if the revelation is not considered too weird to mainstream Christianity, the prophet will reveal it to the world (by "world" I mean the world of Mormonism). Also, the prophet is in charge of real estate investments.
If you think he's so unimportant you should become a Danite. Just last week he called me and ordered me to burn a homosexual pinko-commie feminist Nazi at the stake. He serves an important purpose.
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The Nehor wrote:SatanWasSetUp wrote:The prophet exists to provide members with portraits they can hang on their walls, and it gives them something to say at F&T meeting "I know Hinckley is a true prophet." The prophet is also there so that every 6 months he can remind the members of things they already know, basically he reinforces the stuff they've been taught every sunday since their birth. Every now and then the prophet receives revelation, and if the revelation is not considered too weird to mainstream Christianity, the prophet will reveal it to the world (by "world" I mean the world of Mormonism). Also, the prophet is in charge of real estate investments.
If you think he's so unimportant you should become a Danite. Just last week he called me and ordered me to burn a homosexual pinko-commie feminist Nazi at the stake. He serves an important purpose.
I don't think it's unimportant. Some of those things are very important. I couldn't run real estate projects.
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:I don't think it's unimportant. Some of those things are very important. I couldn't run real estate projects.
Could you teach the gospel?
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Re: Do you really need a "prophet?"
asbestosman wrote:charity wrote:The Dude wrote:charity wrote:And certainly when that really significant thing happens that Nehor and I know about, it is going to be great to have the prophet announce it.
for what it's worth, I would like to add my name to the list of people who know the cool thing that's coming down the prophet pipe.
I knew you were a true believer, who had just gone undercover to ferret out the worst apostate secrets. But I won't blow your cover.
Why am I always the last to know these things?
Bigger than the priesthood to blacks thing? One guess would be calling missionaries home, but I doubt that's gonna happen yet. I might guess they'd go to a 2 hr block time, but I don't think that change would be as huge as the priesthood. I might hope for a change to the one-year wait for temple marriage after civil marriage, but I doubt that's happening soon. I suspect that one day women might be ordained as priestesses too, but I do not see that as happening in my lifetime if it ever happens. That would be one few things I'd consider bigger than the priesthood going to blacks (that and calling missionaries back). The most likely changes I see would be temple related, but I do not see one that would be as big as the priesthood going to blacks. I suppose the recent inclusion of small temples was quite significant, but I don't see it as being on par with the priesthood going to blacks. I mean, we're talking about a reversal in policy that was often considered doctrine more or less.
Umm, hello, what are you guys talking about?
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Re: Do you really need a "prophet?"
Who Knows wrote:Umm, hello, what are you guys talking about?
Or rather what are they keeping silent about? I wish I knew.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy.
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