The Dude wrote:It's still true that if a small group of Viking-Nephites came to Mesoamerica around 600 BC, when it was already populated by powerful and widespread Siberian civilizations, we probably wouldn't be able to pick out the extant DNA even if we did know what markers would identify a Hebrew-Norseman of that period.
Strangely, the Nephite sagas say very little about the vast Siberian civilizations and culture who the Nephites lived "among", but they must have been there. We know this because of DNA as well as from archaeology. Let's go look in the Book of Mormon and see what clues we can find, clues that Joseph Smith himself never noticed. As they say, it is time to find Mesoamerica in the Book of Mormon instead of thinking we can find remnants of the Nephites in Mesoamerica. Some FARMS articles and John Sorenson can lead us through where a straighforward reading of the Book of Mormon is not clear about the indigenous people; all are Lamanites to the Book of Mormon writers, named descendants of Lehi, and possibly Mulek or an Ericson.
Don't try to find Nephites in the ancient world, don't try to find their DNA. It won't be there. You have a better bet by looking for the ancient world -- and Siberian DNA -- in the Book of Mormon. Strange but true.
auteur55 wrote:So a new study out has come to the conclusion that Native American's migrated from Siberia as well as Asia. The new study opens up the possibility that the entire population didn't come over in clusters from Asia like we initially thought.
What's next a migration is discovered to have possibly come from Jerusalem??
That anyone lost their testimony of the Book of Mormon over this issue is a tragedy.
Is he serious or being cute like us?
Yes, I'm afraid he is serious. After someone gives him a geography lesson covering the geographical relationship between Siberia and Asia, he says:
Probably. But I think my point is none of this stuff is definitive and scientists will start to disagree and quarrell over their respective studies. The DNA topic is ongoing and nothing is final. We could be discovering stuff for years.
Yes, and for some, there are more important geographical discoveries. We could be discovering stuff for years.
"And yet another little spot is smoothed out of the echo chamber wall..." Bond
auteur55 wrote:So a new study out has come to the conclusion that Native American's migrated from Siberia as well as Asia. The new study opens up the possibility that the entire population didn't come over in clusters from Asia like we initially thought.
What's next a migration is discovered to have possibly come from Jerusalem??
That anyone lost their testimony of the Book of Mormon over this issue is a tragedy.
Is he serious or being cute like us?
Yes, I'm afraid he is serious. After someone gives him a geography lesson covering the geographical relationship between Siberia and Asia, he says:
Probably. But I think my point is none of this stuff is definitive and scientists will start to disagree and quarrell over their respective studies. The DNA topic is ongoing and nothing is final. We could be discovering stuff for years.
Yes, and for some, there are more important geographical discoveries. We could be discovering stuff for years.
I love that thread. The OP actually thinks that article helps the Book of Mormon when in fact the study simply strengthens the Land Bridge migration theory. The OP didn't realize Siberia is in Asia so he got confused, LOL.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
For some reason, some TBMs think that whenever science makes a new discovery, it helps their cause. Since after all, us apostates believe all the discovering has been done.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...