Was Joseph a Martyr Discussion

[_John Larsen]

Over on the MAD boards. Here is the discussion:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=30326

I was trying to suggest that too broad of definitions of the word martyr would allow individuals to be called martyrs that most consider not to be so.
Someone suggested that Joseph was a martyr because he willingly submitted to the law. I said that OJ did the same and that doesn't make him a martyr. I was suspended for saying this.

Interestingly enough, the Mod did not identify him/herself. I can't understand why they would suspend me for this?

John

[_Runtu]

Over on the MAD boards. Here is the discussion:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=30326

I was trying to suggest that too broad of definitions of the word martyr would allow individuals to be called martyrs that most consider not to be so.
Someone suggested that Joseph was a martyr because he willingly submitted to the law. I said that OJ did the same and that doesn't make him a martyr. I was suspended for saying this.

Interestingly enough, the Mod did not identify him/herself. I can't understand why they would suspend me for this?

John

Don't bother trying to understand. They're very touchy about whom Joseph Smith is compared to. Jesus, maybe. Jim Jones? Suspension. Warren Jeffs? Suspension. OJ, you're lucky you weren't banned.

[_John Larsen]

Clearly the Mod does not understand Goodwin's Law.

John

[_Bond...James Bond]

Clearly the Mod does not understand Goodwin's Law.

John

Well yeah....Godwin's Law according to MAD can mean literally anything. It's like 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon....."OJ Simpson once ate a bratwurst, the bratwurst is a German food, Germany is where the Nazis were, so when you compare Joseph Smith to OJ Simpson you really are equating Joseph Smith with those Einsatzgruppen Death Squads."

[/sarcasm]

[_John Larsen]

AND I wasn't comparing Joseph Smith to OJ. I was merely pointing out that by that definition, they were both martyrs. It was when I was trying to explain this that I was banned. I think OJ and Joseph Smith have very little in common.

John

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I don't see your status as "banned." I don't think your arguments validate banning, either.

[_John Larsen]

you are right, sorry. I wasn't banned I was suspended.

[_John Larsen]

LifeOnaPlate: (Assuming you are the same one)

If I had insulted your intelligence like you did mine, I would have been banned in a heartbeat. Not so much a warning for you.

Re: "It is not surprising how little you know about the course of events surrounding the martyrdom."

John

[_the road to hana]

Well yeah....Godwin's Law according to MAD can mean literally anything. It's like 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon....."OJ Simpson once ate a bratwurst, the bratwurst is a German food, Germany is where the Nazis were, so when you compare Joseph Smith to OJ Simpson you really are equating Joseph Smith with those Einsatzgruppen Death Squads."

[/sarcasm]

Comparing to OJ apparently is the new Godwin's law.

There never will be an end to the debate over whether or not Joseph Smith was actually a martyr in the classical sense of the word. I imagine even for those who were present, there are those who would have seen his death as martyrdom, and others who would not.

Fortunately you didn't compare Joseph Smith to Warren Jeffs or a Muslim extremist, which would be Godwin's Law revised Parts 3 and 4.

[_the road to hana]

If Joseph Smith is considered to be a religious martyr, why is he not included in the Wikipedia entry for either "martyr" or "Christian martyrs"?