Adam/Eve shown the Garden Exit Door

[_Jason Bourne]

Doesn't anyone see the flaw in the LDS reasoning? charity is correct that they were in a garden where everything grew on it's own yet she misses the salient point which I will now address and that is that Adam and Eve were begining to develop their own occupation as fruit pickers and then what, hurled out of the garden due to unemployment?

What is the flaw? Why is it a flaw?

[_Jason Bourne]

pirate

I was joking. Maybe their currency was the fruit of the tree of life afterall it was very precious.

I will get back to you tomorow on what I think. I think much of my idea's stem from my mum and things from her studies. But it might be legnthy and so I would like to reply in a logical order.

You may have been joking, pirate, but charity specifically pinpointed unemployment as a reason for their banishment from the garden. Logical order would be great.

I seek clarity.

If charity thinks it was just so they could work she is not correct. I know of no LDS teaching as such. It was for sin that they were cast out. Sure LDS believe that had they remained in there that mankind would not exist and that the fall took place so man could be and have opposition etc. So what? They did not fall just so they could work.

[_ozemc]

pirate

I was joking. Maybe their currency was the fruit of the tree of life afterall it was very precious.

I will get back to you tomorow on what I think. I think much of my idea's stem from my mum and things from her studies. But it might be legnthy and so I would like to reply in a logical order.

You may have been joking, pirate, but charity specifically pinpointed unemployment as a reason for their banishment from the garden. Logical order would be great.

I seek clarity.

If charity thinks it was just so they could work she is not correct. I know of no LDS teaching as such. It was for sin that they were cast out. Sure LDS believe that had they remained in there that mankind would not exist and that the fall took place so man could be and have opposition etc. So what? They did not fall just so they could work.

of course, that fact that mankind did exist for thousands of years before this all supposedly took place kind of negates that whole argument, doesn't it?

[_msnobody]

When I was an active, believing Mormon, my belief was nothing more than what the church itself taught me: That with their quasi-glorified bodies, they weren't able to have children, thus a "fall" was required to start the human race. As the old LDS couplet goes, "Adam fell, but he fell forward."

Maybe he fell out the garden door. :-P

[_msnobody]

Being cast out happened after the fall. So the question isn't about if the fall was necessary or not. That has all been settled.

They were cast out for their own good. People should work for their living. They would not have learned much in the Garden where everything just grew on its own.

Adam was placed in the garden to work it and take care of it.

[_msnobody]

2 Nephi chp.2
22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

What this says to me when I read it is that if Adam had not disobeyed God's command:
1. He would have lived forever.
2. Lived that forever in the garden.
3. Lived in the same state in which they were created (If I recall correctly, God said it was very good by the way)
4. Lived forever knowing no sin.
5. Would have had no children.
6. Continued forever in a state of innocence.
7. Never would have known joy.
8. Never known misery.
9. Never done good.
10. Would have never known sin.

This tells me also that the marriage bed would be impure or In other words, sex inside the context of marriage is sin.

[_MishMagnet]

I don't believe it did happen. Creation myths are not hard to come by. Why is ours correct and nobody else's is correct? Oh right, because it's ours.

[_Gazelam]

Why is ours correct and nobody else's is correct? Oh right, because it's ours.

Very good. Your coming along nicely.