Why All The CFR?

[_Yoda]

I have tried to avoid using the term CFR since it is used on "the board that should not be named". ;)

I have, at times, asked if someone would point me in the direction of a reference if they are referring to something I really haven't heard of before.

I don't think it's a bad thing to politely ask, but it's certainly not something that is required here at Gryffindor.

;)

[_Ray A]

You might be accused of switching teams from time to time, but at least your lack of sense of humor remains faithfully intact.

CFR.

[_Gazelam]

Since most of what I post here is generally a quote, I don't have any problem with someone asking me for a reference.

Also, at the church website there is a search engine where they reference all the old ensigns and conference talks:

http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnex ... D&locale=0

There are 27 talks referencing a need to avoid anti Mormon material.

[_Mister Scratch]

I'll give a small example. Scratch asked me to back my statement that Infymus posted his real name on this board, with a "CFR". Shades later confirmed this, but he didn't refer to any particular thread. Scratch, however, accepted Shades' qualification without reservation. Now why didn't Scratch ask Shades for a "CFR"? No link was provided, yet Scratch accepted Shades' word. So I guess it's a case of "ask your enemy for CFR, but accept it when it comes from a friend"? Could be.

No, Ray. You've got the story all mixed up. I was asking, from the get-go, about whether or not Infymus had been "outed" by DCP on SHIELDS. There is a now-infamous (pun intended) exchange permanently archived over there, which was lifted from an email that DCP had received. You kept claiming that Infymus had always used his in real life name, and that DCP had never "outed" him. At this point, I used the "CFR," asking you to demonstrate where and when Infymus first began posting his in real life name. You couldn't do it, and, as you'll recall, you conceded that I was right. The reason I have to use the "CFR" with you is that you are all-too-often either intellectually dishonest, or just plain forgetful.

[_Ray A]

No, Ray. You've got the story all mixed up. I was asking, from the get-go, about whether or not Infymus had been "outed" by DCP on SHIELDS. There is a now-infamous (pun intended) exchange permanently archived over there, which was lifted from an email that DCP had received. You kept claiming that Infymus had always used his in real life name, and that DCP had never "outed" him. At this point, I used the "CFR," asking you to demonstrate where and when Infymus first began posting his in real life name. You couldn't do it, and, as you'll recall, you conceded that I was right. The reason I have to use the "CFR" with you is that you are all-too-often either intellectually dishonest, or just plain forgetful.

Reply from the "intellectually dishonest poster" (me):

No, Scratch, you were initially asking where Infymus posted his real name. Whether he was "outed" has nothing to do with this. That came later. Admit your ignorance, Scratch. You didn't know that Infymus posted his real name. What motivated that is irrevelant to the fact that you didn't know he posted his real name.

But to me real names are not that significant. Being honest about your stand is.

You appear to believe that Joseph Smith was a fraud. Is that the case?

[_Sethbag]

I'm inclined strongly against people calling CFR when the sole purpose of the CFR seems to be to score points. When one knows something might be hard for someone to provide references for offhand, or from strictly online sources, and so calls CFR in order to then accuse someone of failing to be able to back up their point, that's pretty lame. There are some times when a CFR is appropriate, but there are others where it's just plain BS. Like if someone says when they grew up they were taught, in church, that God was once a man, and get CFRed. It's tantamount to saying "nope, you're wrong, unless you can prove it with hard references", and when someone doesn't come up with the references, one declares victory by default.

[_moksha]

What has always surprise me was seeing is CFR on information that was discussed with quotations a week earlier.

[_Dr. Shades]

I'll give a small example. Scratch asked me to back my statement that Infymus posted his real name on this board, with a "CFR". Shades later confirmed this, but he didn't refer to any particular thread. Scratch, however, accepted Shades' qualification without reservation. Now why didn't Scratch ask Shades for a "CFR"? No link was provided, yet Scratch accepted Shades' word. So I guess it's a case of "ask your enemy for CFR, but accept it when it comes from a friend"?

If you recall, you kept playing coy with Scratch, saying things such as (paraphrasing) "Prove I'm wrong," or "That's for me to know and you to find out," and "I'm not going to do your work for you." I, on the other hand, provided Scratch with a straight answer to the best of my knowledge.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if you had given him a straight answer too, even if it was nothing more than your best recollection, he wouldn't have needed to keep asking you.

[_Ray A]

If you recall, you kept playing coy with Scratch, saying things such as (paraphrasing) "Prove I'm wrong," or "That's for me to know and you to find out," and "I'm not going to do your work for you." I, on the other hand, provided Scratch with a straight answer to the best of my knowledge.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if you had given him a straight answer too, even if it was nothing more than your best recollection, he wouldn't have needed to keep asking you.

I don't believe that. I have given Scratch straight answers before, yet he has still "CFRd" me. I did say Infymus had posted his name on this site, and Scratch refused to believe me, asking for "CFR". But when you told him, he put his head between his legs, and wagged his tail.

[_Trevor]

Couldn't agree more Ray.

I get so fed up with the constant CFR's, especially for things that are non-CFR-able. Like when I say that the LDS church teaches to stay away from Anti material like it's the plague! How in the hell am I supposed to CFR that. I'll probably get CFR'd to show that I actually got a CFR when I asked this...

I thought it was a funny joke.