Jesus Vs Joseph Cage match Smackdown

Post by **_Mercury** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:36 pm

Jesus is the foundation of Mormonism? Really?

So Jesus delivered the Book of Mormon, Jesus led the church, etc is what we hear from Mormons. All well and good if you believe what Joe said. But what of the majority that actually see through the bull? For us in the majority who see through the smoke and mirrors, it is Joe that is the sole "savior" of Mormons.

Without Joe you would not have Mormonism. True, this is a semantics game but lets be honest. The focus is not on Jesus...he is just a puppet no one ever interacted with. Joe is the real savior of Mormonism, valid or not. Mormons are better off worshiping joe and in a way although they do not recognize him officially as a savior, in Mormonism the same applies to Joe as it does to Jesus.

The one question to get this conversation going is Who will be judging you after you die? Mormonism dictates that the prophet of this dispensation is Joe and HE (along wiht Jesus and the Kolob dwelling space-god) will judge your worthiness.

So...if Joe is to judge us, the standard of truth is as limp as it gets. A pedophile, a bigamist, bank fraud perpetrator and several other unsavory designations hang above joes head. Would you want to be judged by this savior?

Post by **_the road to hana** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:44 pm

Mercury wrote:So...if Joe is to judge us, the standard of truth is as limp as it gets. A pedophile, a bigamist, bank fraud perpetrator and several other unsavory designations hang above joes head. Would you want to be judged by this savior?

Nope.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:11 pm

Funny......Jesus is not a puppet I don't interact with. I interact with him on a daily basis. I have never directly interacted with Joseph.

Post by **_karl61** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:17 pm

I was reading a book on the Smoot hearings. The Congressman did accuse the church of worshipping Joseph Smith then. It's something that critics charge all the time. If you go to sunday school and the whole lesson is on Joseph Smith and not Jesus Christ then some may say Joseph is the the one worshipped at that meeting.

Now given that per D&C Abraham is already and God. And according to many Joseph Smith is the greatest prophet ever, then some may say that Joseph Smith is now a God.

According to Brigham Young, no one will enter heaven without Joseph's approval. Is Joseph then a mediator or abitrator/judge. Is Jesus a mediator or arbitrator/Judge. I am finishing up a class at school in mediation and arbitration - they are two different things. People throw these thoughts freely in the LDS church and no one calls the person on it; if you do then you are a trouble maker and need to be watched.

Post by **_karl61** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:18 pm

The Nehor wrote:Funny......Jesus is not a puppet I don't interact with. I interact with him on a daily basis. I have never directly interacted with Joseph.

how do you interact with him?

Post by **_Maxrep** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:26 pm

Well, I'd put my money on Joseph in the "stick pulling" contest.

Post by **_karl61** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:33 pm

Maxrep wrote:Well, I'd put my money on Joseph in the "stick pulling" contest.

how about a stunt pulling contest?

Post by **_Maxrep** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:37 pm

thestyleguy wrote:
Maxrep wrote:Well, I'd put my money on Joseph in the "stick pulling" contest.

how about a stunt pulling contest?

Or a "Wool pulling" contest. Indeed!

Post by **_charity** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:15 pm

thestyleguy wrote:I was reading a book on the Smoot hearings. The Congressman did accuse the church of worshipping Joseph Smith then. It's something that critics charge all the time. If you go to sunday school and the whole lesson is on Joseph Smith and not Jesus Christ then some may say Joseph is the the one worshipped at that meeting.

This charge is only made and believed by people who don't go to LDS meetings. Anyone who attends knows this is a crock.

thestyleguy wrote:Now given that per D&C Abraham is already and God. And according to many Joseph Smith is the greatest prophet ever, then some may say that Joseph Smith is now a God.

So is Moses. Enoch. Noah. So?

thestyleguy wrote:According to Brigham Young, no one will enter heaven without Joseph's approval. Is Joseph then a mediator or abitrator/judge. Is Jesus a mediator or arbitrator/Judge. I am finishing up a class at school in mediation and arbitration - they are two different things. People throw these thoughts freely in the LDS church and no one calls the person on it; if you do then you are a trouble maker and need to be watched.

Matthew 19: 27 ¶ Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the generation when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The order of things is that the prophets and apostles who head each dispensation will judge the people of that generation.
The twelve apostles judge the children of Israel, by delegated authority, as does Joseph this generation, also by delegated authority from Christ.

Unless you don't believe the Bible, of course.

_Yoda · Post by **_Yoda** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:20 pm

I work in Primary and this year's Primary Program was "I'll Follow Him in Faith". The entire emphasis was on Jesus, not Joseph.

Next year's Primary Program is "I Am A Child of God".

Most of the Sacrament Meeting themes this past year, at least in my Ward, have been focussed on Christ.

I think some of you are selling that emphasis short, and creating a straw man.

Now, I do find it odd that the December issue of the Ensign isn't focusing on the Savior more, if, indeed, it isn't. I haven't seen the December issue yet.

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