Needy w**** tries schtick in the telestial

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Needy w**** tries schtick in the telestial

Post by _Mercury »

I'm developing a theory that many critics of the Church were ignorant/crappy members.

They worshipped Joseph.
They lived in fear.
They were ignorant about history.

Connection? Nah.


It has been said recently that us in the exmo circle were not faithful members. To this I say Who gives a damn what we did outside of the walls of the compound you build around your life? I and others like me don't give a damn what joe said because he and people he dragged into that mess lied along with him. Proven a criminal on several occasions, each time joe skipped town a new revelation on who would be outed as the scapegoat or new principal ordaining so and so to this office.

Our worlds crumbling down into disorder, we who were raised in the church did what we could to break free of the old disorder into the new order outside the compounds emotional walls.

My dear wife and children only go out on Sundays. I suggest we do things with the kids but is so worn out on the weekend getting ready or recovering from 3 hours of repetition and social exclusion. The church is the only outlet she uses for a social outlet. Once a year we attend the Christmas Dinner at Hilton's Holiday events. Were taking a riverboat down the Mississippi this year, just our Dept. Tunica Ho!

I love my wife and kids. But in the church one is seen as expressing love to another by making sure they are enslaved to your Goddamn cult. So realise that because you believe you are right does not indicate you are. What it indicates is your inexperience with trying to make sense of landing in a different worldview and gladly pulling off your garments and placing them uncut and far from destroyed with the marks still visible, into the trashcan. That day was truly one of the happiest days of my life. It was the day that a constructed world view was stripped from in front of my eyes, uncovering the real world.

I have joined a fraternity similar to Mormonism now. I always have been a sucker for ceremony. Rules and acting on the level is important to me. I do not sin, because sin is an artificial construct used to brand a behavior created for the purpose of exclusion. Rather, ethics and laws with safe morality are in play, replacing the asinine rules of Mormonism. My secular Jewish ways I guess.

It is a little unnerving at first but what you realize is that everyone around you has committed worse "sins"than you have. Everyone has been branded in their struggle with homosexuality and earrings. The more one learns about the church the more one learns about how the walls of the universe come toppling down. Court records, business statements, ledgers, notes, journals and other collected works the church holds as well come into play to delve into what were individuals true motivations. The truth is that individuals are not prosecuted because of religion. People are prosecuted because they are a detriment to prosperity in a community and must be weighed according to the law. As Joseph Smith moved from a local swindler into becoming a corrupt local politician, the evidence was so thick that a common thing happened, they lynched the dumb bumpkin moron. A group of shiftless poor lived in the swamps dying of yellow fever and he's off using his priesthood to get another piece of ass. This shifty businessman who rallied gullible individuals into one place and proceeded to control them and their families was a prophet? No, he was a sociopath.

Your rules are useless. Trade them in before you lose more of your life to trying to convince yourself you are a God in embryo.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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Post by _The Nehor »

Nerve touched.

May have even been Vulcan Nerve Pinch.
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Post by _Runtu »

I'm developing a theory that many critics of the Church were ignorant/crappy members.

They worshipped Joseph.
They lived in fear.
They were ignorant about history.

Connection? Nah.


I could say the same thing about many current members of the Church. Many worship Joseph and live in fear. And I daresay that the vast majority of Church members are ignorant of Church history.

As for me, I never worshipped Joseph. My father raised us to see the human frailty in our Church leaders. I didn't live in fear, though I would say I probably had an unhealthy attitude toward guilt. And I was certainly not ignorant of Church history; in fact, it was my familiarity with Church history that led me to realize that I had been rationalizing way too much.
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Post by _Yoda »

For what it's worth, I don't, and never have believed that those who left the Church were bad members. I find this type of "leap" among members who do believe this judgmental and appalling.

I think, however, that critics also make blanket judgments about all members which are just as inappropriate.

There are a few of us around who actually do care more about people and the human heart than strict adherence to the "Mormon Mosaic Law".

;)
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Post by _The Nehor »

liz3564 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't, and never have believed that those who left the Church were bad members. I find this type of "leap" among members who do believe this judgmental and appalling.

I think, however, that critics also make blanket judgments about all members which are just as inappropriate.

There are a few of us around who actually do care more about people and the human heart than strict adherence to the "Mormon Mosaic Law".

;)


I'm judgmental and appalling. WOO-HOO! HOORAY!

Wait a minute.....is that bad? ;)
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"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
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Post by _Yoda »

The Nehor wrote:
liz3564 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't, and never have believed that those who left the Church were bad members. I find this type of "leap" among members who do believe this judgmental and appalling.

I think, however, that critics also make blanket judgments about all members which are just as inappropriate.

There are a few of us around who actually do care more about people and the human heart than strict adherence to the "Mormon Mosaic Law".

;)


I'm judgmental and appalling. WOO-HOO! HOORAY!

Wait a minute.....is that bad? ;)


:P
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Post by _The Nehor »

liz3564 wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
liz3564 wrote:For what it's worth, I don't, and never have believed that those who left the Church were bad members. I find this type of "leap" among members who do believe this judgmental and appalling.

I think, however, that critics also make blanket judgments about all members which are just as inappropriate.

There are a few of us around who actually do care more about people and the human heart than strict adherence to the "Mormon Mosaic Law".

;)


I'm judgmental and appalling. WOO-HOO! HOORAY!

Wait a minute.....is that bad? ;)


:P


We definitely need smilies.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics
"I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
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Post by _Doctor Steuss »

Runtu wrote:I could say the same thing about many current members of the Church. Many worship Joseph and live in fear.

I worship John H. Gilbert and live in slight trepidation.
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
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Post by _Runtu »

Doctor Steuss wrote:
Runtu wrote:I could say the same thing about many current members of the Church. Many worship Joseph and live in fear.

I worship John H. Gilbert and live in slight trepidation.


For some reason, my deities all tend to be female.
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Post by _Doctor Steuss »

Runtu wrote:For some reason, my deities all tend to be female.

For some reason I really want a Klondike Bar right now.

*shrugs*

Stu <---- would take compromising (and incriminating) photographs with a bisexual llama for a Klondike Bar.

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(by the way, 10 points to whoever knowns who John H. Gilbert was)
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
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